defense team for president trump in 2017 one first hearing before impeachment i asked jim comey whyire counter intelligence investigation the drierment for candidates for congress he froze up in that committee hearing are started unraveling of the russia hoax such a black mark on fbi, and was illegal from my perspective so again when president trump talks about draining swamp this is it swamp needs to be drained oning going to focus on holding fbi yfblg important i believe to make sure american peonage know about this, why i published the "the wall street journal" joirl editorial day. >> so you have a -- a state sponsor of terrorism, iran, basically threatening a former president of the united states, you know saying we want to take him down going to assassinate president trump joe biden doesn't do anything until a week ago reportedly said that is an act of war, that is what president trump told me when i spoke with him last month, that biden should be doing. they do not hold anyone accountable, for anything against the united states, why not? >> john ratcliffe said iran and democra

>> so andrew mccabe and jim comey, the two people who ran the fbi when the russia investigation was openo donald trump had fired -- i mean he fired comey and he pushed for mccabe to be fired -- were both the subjects of a highly invasive audit. this is an audit that just a few thousand americans are picked to undergo a year. it's called an autopsy without the benefit of death. and these two individuals were chosen for it. in the months after we learned that, we learned that behind closed doors in 2018 trump was going to john kelly saying we really need to get the irs on jim comey and andy mccabe and other fbi officials. now, the irs inspector general has cleared it of wrongdoing, but it's very difficult as a reporter to sort of avert your gaze from a fact like that when you have a president who not only wanted to weaponize the government, but certainly on the justice department and fbi side, oftentimes had these people investigated. >> you have reporting of the white house counsel, don mcgahn, really trying to talk trump off the ledge. and then these lawyers in the white house making not

what do you think about her bringing up jim comey again?alth therapy tour that never seems to end. let me name the things that she named why she lost in 2016. raush, dnc, campaign staff, sexism, matt laura, the media in general. barack obama, bernie sanders, jill stein, informed voters. campaign. anthony weiner and carlos danger who may be the first person. she didn't campaign in wisconsin. that's why you lost, hillary. you thought you had it won. you didn't. stop blaming james comey. no one wants to hear this anymore. >> todd: she didn't stop there. there is more. listen. >> there is also a double standard because it still is very difficult to cover donald trump. i think there is almost a default in the press where people go back and say okay, well, you know, at least harris is trying to answer questions and she is putting out real policy, so, you know, let's go pile on her and make sure we know exactly what she is talking about. because there is no comparison. she has specific policies. >> todd: okay, so there is a double standard when pe

well, first of all, i don't think she has jim comey in the wings waiting to kneecap her. so that's good and i'm very grateful for that. but i think she is doing what she needs to do. she's still on jim comey. i mean, isn't she still saying that she basically won the election? i mean, isn't she an election denier? in other words? oh, she was the original election denier. she denied the 2016 election for four years, added the, as did the entire democrat party. this really had the feel that interview of almost like she was trying to sabotage kamala harris. it felt like a basket of deplorables type moment where she's saying it's not just that donald trump's a nazi, is that all of those people who are going to show up at madison square garden to cheer him on, you're the nazis. they're calling half the country nazis again. and i just don't think that's going to fly in 2024. yeah, and it turns out that even the washington post, i don't know what to make of this. the la times decided not to endorse anyone. jason. and now the washington post has also decided not to endorse anyone

if you're thinking i'm not hillary clinton, i'm not jim comey, here's why it matters.forcement officer in the land engages in corruption and corruptly used law enforcement to go after them, that rock trickles down. you see he that all over the world. in regimes corrupt at the top, eventually the local prosecutors, they get the sense they can use it to go after people in their neighborhood they may not like. the people who are handing out terrific citizens start to ask for a bribe, or maybe you need a billing permit, but you have to pay something on the side. that corruption affects the entire society, and it affects everyone within them. as maya pointed out, this doesn't matter solely to the political officials that donald trump has named. this is something that's going to come home to roost if we let it take hold. >> maya. >> he's talk about what's happening in texas right now. in texas, the attorney general is weaponizing his ability to send search warrants to organizations who are helping to educate voters on how to vote on the border. people who are citizen, can la

the jim comey letter was old news too. won't know if that is the decisive thing.here are late breaking deciders, we have seen this in both of the 2016 and 2020 elections. people who don't like either candidate. decide really late. it is a small group of people. it can be a decisive group of people. just two things. the thing i was frustrated didn't get mentioned last night in the exchange with jd vance was it isn't just a backwards looking thing. jd vance's boss wants to pardon the perpetrators who are in jail. so it is a forward looking thing. a key part of their agenda. donald trump talks about it all the time. secondly, i think as charlie points out, this is an ongoing effort looking to the 2024 election. he is doing a super pack called democracy defenders. you would be astonished at how much effort is going in right now. to gum up the works and all of the key swing states. by republican officials. this is absolutely a forward. do you think it would be effective for vice president harris to talk about this? >> yes. absolutely. she will be at an event with liz c

the jim comey letter that was old news too. and it changed things on the margins. won't know whether that was the decisive thing that happened in 2016 not to trigger anybody. but you know there are late breaking deciders. we've seen this in both of the 2016 and 2020 election. people who don't like either candidate decide really late. it's a small group of people but can be a decisive group of people. the thing that didn't get mentioned last night in the exchange with j.d. vance. it isn't just a backward looking thing because j.d. vance's boss wants to pardon the perpetrators of the 2020 riot. it's part of their agenda. it's a key part of their forward looking agenda. donald trump talks about it all the time. and this is an ongoing effort, looking to the 2024 election. i talked to joe mecina he's doing a super pack called democracy defenders. you would be astonished at how much effort is going in right now to gum up the works. and all of the key swing states by republican officials who are trying to learn lessons from what happened in 2020. this is absolutely a forw

and whatever else you think of jim comey the new president was saying to jim comey no, no, it's not loyaltytitution, i need your absolute loyalty. that's something that doesn't work in a society that is all about the rule of law. >> let me read the section about hitler that you allude to, congressman. quote, former generals who have worked for donald trump say that the sole military virtue he prizes is obedience. as his presidency drew to a close and in the years since he has become more and more interested in the advantages of dictatorship and the absolute control over the military that he believes it would deliver. quote, i need the kind of generals that hitler had, trump said in a private conversation in the white house, according to two people who heard him say that. people who were totally loyal to him. that follow orders. when you hear trump's campaign rhetoric, what orders do you think he has in mind? >> well, it's worth remembering that military officers also take an oath to the constitution. and i do believe that the vast majority of them understand that their oath is to the consti

important would those contemporaneous notes being a trial where we almost always gone back to what the jim comey contemporaneous notes things was and right. and that was because contemporaneous notes actually buttress the credibility of a person who actually wrote them. why it's close in time to when their memory would have been freshest, they would not have essentially time to concoct a story or change it and it lends itself to feeling more truthful. that's great in front of a jury or whoever is the trier of fact if it's the judge in this case solely because it's almost you they're not trying to go back and shift the narrative or have revisionist history that contemporaneous notes written close in time of very important. it also shows you that there was a manipulation that they're arguing was trying to happen there. so they were trying to look at him, not as somebody who was in executive role, but his legislative administerial capacity and that could bode very well for the prosecution to suggest that they were trying to lean on on him as a running mate, as a candidate, not in his role as the vi

>> well, first of all, i don't think she has jim comey in the wings waiting to kneecap her. so that's good and i'm very grateful for that. but i think she is doing what she needs to do and in reporting from today, i think by cnn, a number of the voters who were at her town hall have said she convinced them that she had shown that kind of empathy and concern about their problems that she'd come forward with her ideas, her suggested policies so i think she's doing what she needs to do and from my perspective, well, that's not only her job, it's the job of all of us who are supporting her. it's obviously the job of the messaging, the advertising everything that goes into the final sprint to the election. because i think that the information is out there for voters who are looking for it, you can go to her campaign web page. you can read about what she wants to do to lower the cost of housing, how she wants to take on people who are exploiting pricing of necessary goods, whether it's groceries or anything else. she talks about how she has a plan for long-term care. one of the bi

the region madam secretary, i haven't election related question given what you experienced with jim comey's election eve announcements back in 2016? >> i'm wondering if you see any problem with the doj filing this 165 page detailed memo that lays out their full case against donald trump just a month before this election completely different and this is in the context of an ongoing criminal procedure that the special counsel has brought against donald trump. >> many, many months before the run-up to the election and so this is part of an ongoing trial. so in many ways, it was frankly motivated by the orders of the judge in this trial who has it appears to me, ben extremely favorable toward trump in the rulings over the course of the months that it has been before her so i think that there is nothing out of the ordinary. there's no violation of department of justice laws and regulations, as i understand san them in filing a further explanation of the charges in an ongoing case well, thank you for that. >> madam secretary, you are here because we had an earlier discussion on your new memoir, w

listen to what first of all, i don't think she has jim comey in the wings waiting to kneecap her. so that's good. and i'm very grateful for that. >> i mean, but one example, karen. >> yeah, thanks, jim love that. >> i mean, having been there for a moment object for that not so much. here's one thing i will say. >> you know, donald trump paints this picture of what it was like. >> that's, that's all fine and good. but covid happened in between how we live our lives and how we work and our economy changed in between what's happening between russia and ukraine has happened in between. there, there are factors that have changed where the country and we're the world is that he will have to contend with. he sort of makes it seem like we're just going to go right back to there no, there's plenty of things that have to be dealt with and he never talks about how he would deal with them. what i will say i was knocking on doors on sunday in pennsylvania in a county just over from where the townhall was last night. and i did hear talk to a woman, older in her 60s and she is very concerned she

this is reminiscent of jim comey in 2016. hillary clinton. >> and you got to feel for no, no but i'm saying but democrats went crazy then. why are you guys grazie now saying that's wrong? it's wrong. jack smith committed election interference. well, jake, we know he cut in and just use the nicest tony he's from pennsylvania but david. david. good morning. okay. so when donald trump, according to the jack smith filing, says about mike pence, so what don't you have a problem with that? it's bad. he should have done it listed. i think it's bad. so going back to our conversation early, but here's the probe. >> jack smith shouldn't be putting out are saying that it's a responsibility that we will well, who stormed the capitol, not donald trump. >> exactly what donald trump is saying. so what about his vice president and whether i think it's a terrible thing for him to say if he said it. >> didn't, i think i'm not going to i'm not going to defend that night. >> but what i'm saying is that smith is not allowed to be doing that with

by the time your dad was part of this jim comey had been fired and left out, andrew mccabe -- i mean,e justice department, might have been people that shared some of your dad's skill set, had been discarded. what do you think people think when it comes to trump they will be treated differently? >> i don't know they do think that. i think the important thing to -- i don't know if they think about that at all. i think the important thing to remember is that trump is the only one who has evaded accountability for his actions and the only way to hold him accountable is to make sure he doesn't become the president again because think the supreme court immunity ruling. if he becomes the president he will never face consequences for these actions and, in fact, he will have more leeway to break laws than an average citizen, which is absolutely crazy to me. if you look at a man like that, a man who literally is exactly who you would cast as a dictator in a movie and you think about him with unchecked power and you are okay with that is correct i think you really need to reconsider your line of

are telling, when trump talks about targeting the enemy from within, he already did, he pursued jim comeynd jailed you. when you hear the vice president make this argument, you would like that extra point to be made that it's not a hypothetical. it's real. can you tell people what it's like to be an american citizen and have your own government at trump's direction pursue you? >> there is no words to describe it. i can't believe this is the america that we are talking about. this is something you see in russia. this is something you see in saudi arabia, something you see in north korea, in china. you don't see this in the united states of america. but guess what? we do. and that's the type of government that this man is going to run. especially when he turns around and says he wants loyalty oaths taken and given to him by every single person in his administration. there will be no guardrails. so, yes, i want to see the vice president in the last 18, 19 days of this election take it home, explain to the american people that -- and stop using the words would or could. it will and he has. i

>> well, first of all, i don't think she has jim comey in the wings waiting to kneecap her, so that'sretary of state hillary clinton with that answer last night on cnn. welcome back to "morning joe." it is friday, october 25th. jonathan lemire, reverend al sharpton, and jon meacham are all still with us. joining the conversation, we have msnbc political analyst elise jordan. she is the former aide to george w. bush and his white house and state department. and host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. also with us, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson is with us this morning. good to have you all. >>> hillary clinton giving a bit of a dynamic shift for this time around. at least so far. gene, your latest piece for "the washington post" is entitled "the double standard for harris and trump has reached a breaking point." in it, you write, quote, "somehow, it is apparently baked into this campaign that trump is allowed to talk and act like a complete lunatic, while harris has to be perfect in every way. i