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i am joined by two veterans we call on from government service, bill kristol and maia wiley. walked through what we are dealing with, and at the risk of being repetitive, i emphasize that for anyone who says politics, language, campaign rhetoric, we are past that now. we are now back in the news governing. so what does it mean to look at these military plans and personnel? >> the defense department, the justice department, the intelligence agencies. in social sciences they call those the power ministries. and when you analyze authoritarian takeovers, in other countries, even dramatic ones like coos or gradual ones, those other agencies, the autocrats focus on. and that is where trump wants to use those agencies to centralize power to him, loyalty to him as advocates have said, not to the law, the constitution, or the norms of the agencies. he wants to personalize power, he wants people who will be loyal to him personally. and he wants to have the ability to abuse power. and it is exactly what some of us feared the most about a trump second term area the first term he had the

i'm joined by two veterans from government service, bill kristol and maya wiley. walked through what we're dealing with and at the risk of being repetitive, i emphasized for anyone who says politics, language, campaign rhetoric, we're past that now. we are now back in the news governing. of so what does it mean to look at these military plans and personnel? >> the defense department, the justice department, the intelligence agencies, central science they call those the power ministries. when you analyze authoritarian takeovers in other countries, dramatic ones like coups, those are the agencies the autocrats focus on. and that's where trump wants to set the -- he wants to use those agencies to centralize power to him, loyalty to him, not to the law, the constitution or the norms of the agencies. he wants to personalize power. he wants people loyal to him personally. and he wants to have the ability to abuse pow earp. and it's exactly what some of us feared the most about a trump second term. the first term he had people in those jobs that hegseth and the others are

as bill kristol writes today, the good thing is when you've decided to become captain of your soul oncenominees like pete hegseth and robert f. kennedy jr. be next? couldn't trump the forced to toss them overboard as well? he could if senators would take a stand and stand their ground. let's remind you of the other picks. we already mentioned pete hegseth for defense secretary, whose in the hotseat. then there is rfk jr. who has touted debunked conspiracy theories like vaccines cause autism. and tulsi gabbard has raised alarms among some of those in the intel community. punch bowl news is reporting gop senators are reporting they will be interested in probing tulsi gabbard's posture with intelligence apparatus she ran and confirmed. republican senators have privately discussed their efforts to viewing gabbard's files, which is done for every nominee. the implication, documents could reveal previously unknown information about gabbard including possible foreign contacts. nbc news cannot verify what's in gabbard's file. whether gaetz 's withdrawal helps or hurts gabbard, it remains a majo

an internal, emotional feeling, why him, trump, and not me, whether it is like, i don't know, bill kristolguys that are generally normal, and then their egos just kind of like, they just took it hard, you've got to let go, guys. >> judge jeanine: you know, jesse, aoc was talking about the working-class. she says after -- our main project is to unite the working-class against this upcoming fascist agenda. we've had an enormous setback. does she not remember that when the fascist was president is when she got elected and that she moved amazon out of her own district for the working-class? >> jesse: she used to be working-class. she was a bartender, and she forgot where she came from, and now she thinks trump is going to put her imprisoned like she has some sort of persecution fantasy because if you are a victim on the left, that gives u status. everyone is jockeying to be the number one dissident in trump's america. greg talks about this all the time about how people need to get a life, and they think trump is son, and that everything revolves around trump, so they frame everything about how

and then they just became like, look at bill kristol. like somebody like that.like they just went in the other direction because it was about a loss of status. so they needed to find their status somewhere else. adam kinzinger completely nuts. liz cheney nuts. it's because they're what's his name? george. george conway. yes, he's on ozempic. he's still ugly. i don't even have a question. oh, my question is this if you remove the left and right and just look at the hoaxes, that's kind of one way to do it. it's like these people lied to you about the polling and about biden's status. is that the way forwar? focus on the media's lies? gosh, there's a lot here. i mean, yeah, i think going back to what you originally said, there's a lot of ego involved really just exposes that these people care more about themselves and their own status and position than they actually really care about what makes politics so personal, which is who we have in positions of power, affects our everyday lives, you know, to kat's point, we have to be able to come together around the things

bill kristol cnbc. >> yes. no, i agree like that. sounds fantastic release it all. >> i mean, the house ethics committee report is an actual report done by a bipartisan committee in a republican house, right, with the opportunity for representative, then representative gaetz to issue, you know, to to contest charges and get his side of the case into it. so it's a serious document. obviously, the senators who have to confirm or reject gaetz should have access to it. um, i like oz, though. with doctor oz there, i guess he'll be working for secretary kennedy robert f. kennedy jr. if he gets confirmed. so cnn should ask to tell in the interest of transparency to televise the senior staff meetings at hhs with kennedy, oz and all those characters. >> well, they're they're they're they're all very famous. look at this shot right now coming in live. we've got musk there. we got i don't recognize everybody. there is a president trump. senator bill hagerty of tennessee who is also thought to possibly have a position coming in the cruz on the l

and the lincoln project people and bill kristol and people like that who seem to abandon everything they in order to oppose trump? bret: kellyanne? [laughter] >> we'll get to the never trumpers, soon enough and the hundreds of millions of collars wasted on them. donald trump won this on policy and personality. he is talking about energy independence, manufacturing, an economy where everybody is working, no new foreign wars, getting out of the entang thingments we currently have, respecting and resourcing law enforcement, border patrol,, military. and, by way, friends, we don't get those policies without that personality. what did we hear during the republican primaries? i want donald trump's policies put his personally. good luck with that. you don't get this strength and resolve and toughness. you don't get those policies without that. i want to say this. it's on this phone that huma abedin placed a call 2:30 on november 9th 2016, and on the other line was secretary clinton to concede the race to the donald trump. i handed it to to him, and i said to vice president mike pence, make sure