we do not the timings forjustin welby�*s exact departure, but the process of choosing his successor iss you just some idea of what is likely to happen over the next few months. certainly harry farley, he was following this for us a little earlier, telling us at least six months, the process i have just outlined. we will have just outlined. we will have more reaction to this breaking news here on the programme injust a moment breaking news here on the programme in just a moment or two, but around the world and across the uk, you are watching bbc news. you are watching bbc news, let's return to that breaking news, the resignation of the archbishop of canterburyjustin archbishop of canterbury justin welby. archbishop of canterburyjustin welby. the former anglican bishop has been talking to bbc news and he has been calling for the archbishop's resignation. let's hear a little of his analysis after the news came in. i little of his analysis after the news came in.- the news came in. i am relieved. _ the news came in. i am relieved, mainly - the news came in. i am relieved, mainly for- the n

henry, how damaging do you think, obviously it's - you think, obviously it's damaging forjustin welbyr the institution of the church of england, how damaging is it, how lasting will be the damage from the scandal? in will be the damage from the scandal? , ., , ., ., scandal? in his own resignation later he talked _ scandal? in his own resignation later he talked about _ later he talked about institutional failure in the report referred to other bishops who will have known what was happening at the time for the build—out bishop lincoln, the bishop of ely past intervention along and they didn't pursue it.— intervention along and they didn't pursue it. there might be more resignations, - be more resignations, conceivably?— be more resignations, conceivably? be more resignations, conceivabl ? , conceivably? there could be. the survivors _ conceivably? there could be. the survivors are _ conceivably? there could be. the survivors are demanding| the survivors are demanding this. they are asking for this and they want reform for the reformation, if i could use that word from king henry the a

he told me that it's obviously been a tough decision forjustin welby, but he's done the right thing.ugh day also for the victims of abuse, for whom this whole last few days has raked it up again, and it's been really traumatic. and it's a tough day for the church of england. why did you call for him to go earlier this week? well, the makin report, a report into the sort of historic abuses ofjohn smyth and what the church knew about it came out on thursday last week. and it seemed absolutely clear from that report that after the archbishop was made archbishop in 2013, he did not enough. and he admits he did not enough in the time from there to the channel 4 report in 2017, and people were still being abused during that time. does it say specifically what more the archbishop of canterbury should have been doing? he should have made absolutely sure that this was reported to the police, and he left that to his advisers, it seems, and was not on his own, in his own words, that he didn't pursue this as rigorously as he really ought to have done. in terms of any others who might be named in

, which is the church of england's central executive body and has launched a petition calling forjustin welby writer and novelist, who was the first journalist to look into smyth's abuse. and of course nick is here. well, lovely. and, you just heard a survivor saying we need a clean sweep of the hierarchy in the church of england, do you agree? that testimony _ of england, do you agree? that testimony was _ of england, do you agree? that testimony was very _ of england, do you agree? twat testimony was very powerful and i am very grateful to mark. it is a brave thing to do and important to do. i personally would be very sad if justin steps down.— personally would be very sad if justin steps down. sad? wide? because i _ justin steps down. sad? wide? because i think _ justin steps down. sad? wide? because i think we _ justin steps down. sad? wide? because i think we are - justin steps down. sad? wide? because i think we are being i because i think we are being diverted. we are scapegoating to be perfectly honest. we do this as human beings. john smyth is dead and thatis human beings. john smyth

this is the first time that a senior leader in the church of england has joined those calls forjustin welby smyth who a jeep fuse dozen of boys to a man named

archbishop of canterbury to resign but this is the first time that a bishop has joined those calls forjustin welbyes to a man called john smyth who abused children at christian camps attended byjustin welby. they described some of the beatings as horrific. the review found that before smyth died the church knew about the abuse at the highest level but its response was ineffective and amounted to a cover and smyth went on to abuse other boysin and smyth went on to abuse other boys in south africa and zimbabwe. today bishop of newcastle doctor hartleyjoined growing calls for the archbishop to quit and said she was devastated by the report published last week and said that the impact of it was that people cannot trust the church is a moral voice and it cannot get its own house in order. she went on to say thatjustin welby�*s position is untenable. justin welby for his part said that the first time he was told of the abuse was in 2013 and he apologised last week for failing to make sure they are locations where in his words, energetically investigated at the time. he did say he had considered resignin

abuse first let's hear from reverend ian paul who had previously organised a position calling forjustin welbythink my reaction overall is sadness. it is sad when someone who has been valued has been terminated and it is sad we have come to this point where we have had to raise us so much pressure forjustin to resign and certainly i think the cases for those of us who set up this petition, we are not at all intending to be judge and jury or to gain a scalp, this must be the first step towards a significant change, the kind of change the report was asking for it with the senior leadership in the church in this is not come about because anyone has been accusing orjudging, simply accusing or judging, simply because accusing orjudging, simply because ofjustin�*s own words. his words to for instance the bbc during thejimmy�*s siebel crisis when he said very clearly, when in organiser fails in safeguarding and protecting the vulnerable, those in charge, the leaders must take responsibility. last week with kathy newman with her interview with channel 4 news he said i take full responsibility to her f