that is hubert ivory, rev. dr. hubert ivory. we were married in fresno. >> your dad was there. >> my dad did it, we had so many ministers, baptists, christian methodist, episcopal, everything possible. that was a wonderful time. >> let's see the family, the daughters. >> that is with rocking lost with my youngest daughter and my older daughter and that's the first time i shared my painting publicly. >> wonderful, wonderful, how old are they now? >> 30 and 26. >> wow. >> they are not little girls anymore. >> i remember when they were little girls. that's amazing, i'm glad. thank you. we will have another segment and look forward to one more poem that she has and one more picture that we will see. >>> with rev. donna ivory , we talked about creating the new in the last segment of her book and i wanted her to read a poem , that i think would be so important during this christmas season in which we look for the new in the christ child and dancing with pain has been her story also, so this poem expresses that, sure that with us. >> t