joined by longtime colonists karen swisher, also cohost of the "pivot" podcast.en , by most accounts, elon has been spending a lot of time at mar-a-lago , seems to be camped out there since president-elect trump won. what you think of their alliance? >> it is like that movie with richard dreyfus and bill murray, i think it is called "where's bob?" he has come for the weekend and is not leaving. he came as a guest for the election. >> you said, you don't expect this alliance to end well, why not? >> i think the problem, we have two very narcissistic people that like being dominant. there can only be one, as they say in highlander. that would be president-elect donald trump, not elon musk, even if he is the world's richest man. >> what is in it for musk? obviously, the attention, which he seems to like me but also government contracts . his business relies a lot on u.s. government . >> yeah, he already had those . i think it is $15 billion or some number. the government stepped in to save tesla when it was in trouble by giving it a loan . i remember when he got the