i mean, you look at, say, alan bennett, who i think most people would agree is a vastly greater writer than alan hollinghurst, who has been knighted. alan bennett has consistently turned down knighted all his life. i think that just proves, ultimately that just proves, ultimately that you don't have to have a knighthood to be recognised as being a great writer. >> you bring up gareth southgate there. i just want to go back to that because i think that's been quite a controversial one as well. i've seen a lot of people criticise that online because ultimately gareth southgate essentially never won any silverware with england as their manager. do you think that it's right that he's still recognised as a knight? >> well, as i was saying a moment ago, i think that he has done huge things for england's football in terms of prestige and in terms of the fact that he has made it once again something to be proud of. except, as you also say, england haven't won any tournaments. he hasn't brought anything home. i think he's been given a knighthood for being a decent bloke, and i think that's what