journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and we've also got the founder of global britain, amanda boglesuzanne, what do we do about the feckless work? shy and the lazy? >> it's really bad, isn't it, patrick? you know, i don't mind paying patrick? you know, i don't mind paying taxes, but what i really object to is paying taxes and seeing it wasted. and it's not just benefits it's being wasted on. it's all kinds of things right across the whole spectrum of government. but you're spot on. people