and in response to the figures, shadow home secretary chris philip called it aninqu secretary chris philipalled it an insult and said it's clear a new approach is needed now. the national crime agency said stopping channel migrants is not possible without a rwanda style scheme. well, well, who would have thought it? it was a terrible mistake for labour to cancel our deterrent before it ever even started. that's why crossings are up 20% since labour came in. so joining me now, director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, thank you very much for joining me. right. so let's forjoining me. right. so let's have a chat. let's. good. good to talk to you. speaking to stephen wolf. stephen wolf, talk to me. what is going on? what should they have scrapped rwanda. was that a mistake? >> i know you had a good christmas as well. >> i know i forget my own name from time to time. don't worry. when i wake up first thing in the morning. yeah. no, i mean, of course, scrapping rwanda was a terrible idea. and it. because it was the only real deterrent. and in you've raised the numbers of ove