i talked to the former labour minister, ivor caplin, who is a regular on gb news who slavishly defendedvernment's position. just take a listen to what he had to say. >> i can't support what they're doing because this is trying to say we shouldn't pay inheritance tax, but everyone else in the country does pay inheritance tax. if that situation occurs in terms of their financial position. so i really think that the farmers, i understand why they might be angry, but they're just angry now because it's a labour government. the 20% is a fair way of going forward. if and when inheritance tax is neededin and when inheritance tax is needed in a farm position, you know, after a death, they're not angry because it's a labour government. >> i can tell you from talking to them. a lot of them have voted labour their whole lives. yeah, yeah. that's not why they're angry. this isn't political. there were people there from the lib dems, from there from the lib dems, from the greens, from the tories, from reform, all political persuasions, all united over the fact that they want to save our countryside.

ivor caplin, thank you very much. he's a former minister. thank you.oining me now is former tory mp neil parish. neil welcome to the program. really good to talk to you. so neil what's your view on this on your thoughts on this. >> should mps really i think my view is it was very unwise to take the £300 from pensioners in the first place, because many of them will suffer cold and may land up in hospital through being cold. >> and so i think it was a short sighted. i think it's bound to put pressure back on ministers like and secretary of state like liz kendall and others, if they are taking the second allowance and taking the 3001 00:16:32,912 -