and what i find fascinating is you use the words simon, simon de sodbury , who was simon, simon de sodburys the archbishop at the time, who lost his head in the peasants revolt during a period in which you saw huge immigration into the country from 1066 to 1300, increased by 250%, in which farmers were attacked and had their lands removed, in which taxes were increased. and simon de sodbury did one thing he supported the government over the peasants revolt. what is this particular archbishop done? supported the government and all the changes that are very similar to that in this country. he needs to lose his head, if not his tongue, for the way that he speaks about people in this country metaphorically speaking. >> metaphorically speaking. yeah. and ought to be arrested by no elianne what does this say of the type of person that welby is, do you think? >> well, listen, i mean, it was a very distasteful speech, you know? >> listen, he might not have known the full information of what was going on. you know, you're you're the head of a very large organisation. so it's highly possible that he