so just to be absolutely clear, it wasn't stephen bartlett who said that.et would be helpful for preventing cancen would be helpful for preventing cancer. flight studio, which is the podcast production company owned by mr bartlett, said guests were offered freedom of expression and were thoroughly researched, which i get as well, and i think that's a really good response from him. >> however, i think because the bbc name is attached to the podcast, i think that's why the scrutiny was there at the beginning. >> of course, because he's a dragon. he's a dragon, yeah. >> yes, that's right. >> yes, that's right. >> but i think it is a very, really interesting point. you were saying, you know, it's up to the viewer to do their research. well, yes, you could argue that, but what information do you then trust online? we are in a completely different world to 20 years ago, where all your information was through the broadcast media or newspapers, which, whether you like them or not, do have certain legal standards that they have to uphold. now, you could search for,