i thought bret stephens's column was terrific, but so the usually. liz: as far as it goes but there are so many deceptions and delusions that clouded this presidency, what about the biggest threat to our homeland being white supremacy, we could start with that, in the wake of the last couple weeks, bret stephens is trying to scramble ahead of his never trumper stance like so many democrats, so many never trump republicans and get on the right side of 2025 and it is very difficult for him. the last column i read by britt stevens was why he was going to vote for kamala harris. let's move on. stuart: you've got a new op-ed, biden keeps insulting americans with last-minute moves. republicans can stop it. really? how could the gop stop these last-minute moves designed to to i think sabotage trump? >> he is throwing a spanner in the works as you might say for the incoming trump administration and it is really deplorable because voters voted for energy investment in our country, fossil fuel investment, getting back to energy independence and using our treme

i mean, bret stephens was arguing that that hegseth was looking like a very rocky confirmation untily, his past with drinking, his the accusations of harassment. all of that stuff made it made it more imperative for republicans to confirm him. >> yesterday, a lot of people thought that collins and murkowski were lost. right. and now we're talking about tillis. there's still questions even about mcconnell. i mean, this this is going to be on a friday night for the entire world to see. and i hope that everybody is making this case, not just to president trump, but to those republicans who can make a difference here and can put our national security over partizanship and over loyalty to donald trump. >> courtney was telling me, courtney, who does our pentagon reporting, says that there's a lot of it's he's a divisive figure within the pentagon as well, that there are people that think he's completely unqualified, don't want him anywhere near it. but there are also men and women in the military that like him, and they like that he has had his boots on the ground, dirt on his boots, as he

i want to read to you something that bret stephens wrote in the new york times.says trump may be a very blunt instrument, but we're a country in need of disruption. the important conversation we should have now is how to disrupt wisely, not how to defend norms for norms sake. in the face of trump's norm bending. you know you've lived it. immigration is a conversation that has been going on for decades, if not generations, without a solution. is there a way for you and your colleagues to understand this deeply, personally, as well as politically? to help republicans, in brett's words, disrupt wisely? >> i mean, look, not donald trump. i, i don't think donald trump has to do anything but but be cruel and inhumane and deport everybody he can. so i don't think republicans are interested in actually helping people. there are ways to actually solve this challenge. democrats also want a secure border. we also want to ensure that there's a process at the border that is humane, that is legal, that there are rights that people have, that there are enough immigration judges