doing secretly that iphone users did not know joining us live now with what you need to know is cindy cohn, executive director at the electronic frontier foundation. cindy, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> can you start by walking us through the cases that were brought forth in this lawsuit? what did the plaintiffs claim that their phones did without their knowledge? >> well, the centerpiece of the claim is this idea that the that even before you said the words, you know, the wake up words. hello, siri. the phone sometimes would start recording people and they, they, they called these accidental or kind of unintended triggering of the listening. now most people know that, you know, once you say, hey, siri, the phone is actually listening to you. that's how it responds to you. but the centerpiece of the case is really about the fact that things were being recorded even before those those starter words. >> i think the lawsuit even alleged that someone zipper even turned on the function. so the phone started listening. and we do want to apologize for everyone who has an iphone, because