i want to thank chairman durbin for outstanding work the last four years. he certainly was as we say in brooklyn a nudge. that's a good word. [laughter] without chairman durbin, we could not have confirmed so many judges in such a short amount of time. he's been an excellent and diligent partner every step of the way. i want to thank his staff and judiciary staff and my staff, my great counsel, for the great job they have done. i want to thank vice president harris who helped us confirm many nominees by deciding vote, many of them were 50-50, and without her being here, and she had to change her schedule often at the last minute notice, it might not of happened. thank you to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. we did have some support from a group of republican senators and that helped us. we think that as well. -- thank that is well. it is my sincere pleasure to turn it to the person who led the way in this great effort, our president joe biden, mr. president what you have done confirming a record number of judges will be one of the most important fo

senator durbin. sen. durbin: thank you, senator grassley. ms. bondi, if you're successful in your nomination, this democrat would like to give you three words of advice, answer grassley's letters. [laughter] you'll never hear the end of it if you don't. at issue, i believe in this nomination hearing is not your competence nor your experience. at issue is your ability to say no. the attorney general has to be prepared to put the constitution first and even tell the president of the united states you are wrong. the political danger and personal costs of such a decision are well documented. you have only to ask former attorney general jeff session and bill barr whom donald trump sacked for lack of loyalty. and so, i have three basic questions i'd like to ask you. most americans believe that central to the peaceful transition of power in a democracy is the acceptance of the results of an election. to my knowledge, donald trump has never acknowledged the legal results of the 2020 election. are you prepared to say today under oath without reservation

durbin: you need to listen to it. do you believe the january 6 rioters who have been convicted of violent assaults on police officers should be pardoned? ms. bondi: senator, if confirmed as attorney general of the united states, the pardons of course fall under the president, but a vast to look at those cases i will look at each case and advise on a case-by-case basis just as i did my entire career as a prosecutor. sen. durbin: you also advise the president on pardons as part of your responsibility as attorney general, so i am asking you, do you believe those who have been convicted of the january 6 riot violent assaults on our police officers should be pardoned? it is a simple question. ms. bondi: i have not seen any of those files. if confirmed and if asked to advise the president, i will look at each and every file. let me be clear in speaking to you. i condemn any violence on a law-enforcement officer in this country. sen. durbin: let me ask you about your work as a lobbyist. you did not list your current position

now to my friend, ranking member durbin. sen. durbin: thank you, senator grassley. i appreciate your commitment to the bipartisan practices preventing presidential nominees. that was in doubt several weeks ago. i spoke to senator grassley and he assured me he is committed as i am to maintaining these practices which we have established over the years. our process is rigorous and shows how seriously members of both sides of the aisle take our constitutional responsibility of advise and consent. ms. bondi, thank you for coming to my office last week to discuss your nomination. the importance of the attorney general to our system cannot be overstated. as the nation's chief law fourth an officer the attorney general oversees the department of justice which is responsible for protecting the civil rights of americans, economic freedom and opportunity, public safety safety and of course national security. in short, the attorney general has real impact on americans' everyday lives. any nominee committed first and foremost to the constitution and the american people. not any

chair durbin: senator padilla. sen. padilla: the fact we are still discussing, debating the struggle to reconnect to children who were separated from their parents more than four years ago today should tell us a lot. about what to expect in the next administration. it is really a further conversation, may be a different hearing, a different day, to focus on that. just as a reminder for folks observing today's hearing, the topic, the topic of today's hearing is "how mass deportation will separate american families, harm our armed forces, and devastate our economy." i will attempt to bring us back to the focus of the hearing today. first i want to point out a couple notes i have taken throughout the hearing. hearing from my colleagues on the committee and the issues and questions they have raised. two underscore a statement i made at the outset, which is how complex the conversation, this policy area is. it requires thoughtful and nuanced solutions. senator graham was hyping up the numbers. even questioning witnesses. wou

senator durbin. >> thank you, ms. bondi, if you are successful in this nomination the democrat would like to give you three words of advice, answer grassley's letters. you will never hear the end of it if you don't. at issue i believe in this nam notification hearing is not your competence nor your experience. at issue is your ability to say no. more than any other cabinet official, the attorney general has to be prepared to put the constitution first and even tell the president of the united states you are wrong. the political danger and personal costs of such a decision are well documented. you have only to ask former attorney general jeff session and bill barr who donald trump sacked for lack of loyalty. so i have three basic questions i would like to ask you. most americans believe that central to the peaceful transition of power in a democracy is the acceptance of the results of an election. to my knowledge, donald trump has never acknowledged the legal results of the 2020 election. are you prepared to say today

chairman durbin: thank you, ms. morin. >> chairman durbin and ranking member graham and chambers of the committee. we have studied the immigrants of the united states and provided detailed of their economics and contributions on our map, the impact website. today there are 13 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. president-elect trump has promised a mass deportation campaign with the stated intent of rounding up and deporting every single one of them. so who are they? well, most have been here for at least 15 years, having entered before the obama administration. over 4.8 million people have been here for 25 years or more with no path to permanent legal status, no line to stand in. most undocumented immigrants have spent decades living, working, putting down roots all at constant risk of deportation. nearly all are employed or attending school. some have permission to work legally, most do not, putting them at increased risk of exploitation. they are farmworkers, meatpackers, cooks, waiters, construc

ranking member durbin and members of the committee. it is an honor for me and a privilege to introduce pam bondi, president trump's nominee to be the 87th attorney general of the united states. i have known and worked closely with pam for years, and i'm glad to call her a friend. when pam was nominated by president trump, my reaction was, this is a home run, as many of us are. i was only to be outdone by senator graham, who described the nomination as a grand slam touchdown hole in one ace, hat trick, slam dunk, olympic gold medal pick. and he's right as the letter, joined by more than 100 former justice department officials put it, quote, it's all too rare for senior justice department officials, much less attorneys general, to have such a wealth of experience in the day to day work of keeping our communities safe. end quote pam exemplifies and personifies the department of justice's mission to uphold the rule of law, to keep our communities safe, and to protect our rights and liberties as americans. pam has distinguished herself in h

senator durbin. >> ms. bondi, if you're successful in your nomination this democrat would like to give you three words of advice. answer grass leaves letters. you'll never hear the end of it if you don't. at issue i believe in this nomination hearing is not your competence know your experience. at issue is your ability to say no. more than any of the cabinet official the attorney general has to be prepared to put the constitution first and even tell the president of the united states you are wrong. the political danger and personal costs of such a decision are well documented. you have only to ask for attorney general jeff sessions and bill barr whom donald trump sacked for lack of loyalty. and so i have three basic questions i would like to ask you. most americans believe that central to the peaceful transition of power in a democracy is the acceptance of the results of an election. to my knowledge donald trump has never acknowledged the legal result of the 2020s election. are you prepared to say today und

durbin: thank you, mr. president. pending before the senate on this saturday morning is the nomination of governor kristi noem of south dakota to be secretary of homeland security in the cabinet of president tr trump. i have never met governor noem. i had hoped we would have a chance to get together, but that didn't work out. i made a request for a courtesy meeting, but we couldn't schedule it. my vote is not contingent on a person showing up in my office, but i wish we'd had a chance to meet and talk about the awesome responsibility she is seeking with this department. department of homeland security is virtually of the creation of 9/11. that's when the term homeland started being used at our highest levels of our government, in an effort to keep america safe from 9/11 or anything like it happening in the future. over the years it has accepted major responsibility when it comes to the issue of immigration, particularly when it comes to making certain that our border processes are orderly and reach our national goals,

ranking member durbin and members of the committee. it is an honor for me and a privilege to introduce pam bondi, president trump's nominee to be the 87th attorney general of the united states. i have known and worked closely with pam for years, and i'm glad to call her a friend. when pam was nominated by president trump, my reaction was, this is a home run. as many of us are, i was only to be outdone by senator graham, who described the nomination as a grand slam. touchdown hole in one ace. hat trick. slam dunk. olympic gold medal pick. and he's right. as the letter, joined by more than 100 former justice department officials put it, quote, it's all too rare for senior justice department officials, much less attorneys general, to have such a wealth of experience in the day to day work of keeping our communities safe, end quote. pam exemplifies and personifies the department of justice's mission to uphold the rule of law, to keep our communities safe, and to protect our rights and liberties as americans. pam has distinguished herself i

senators cornyn, lee, durbin, tillis, booker and i have introduced a bipartisan bill called the safer supervision act. federal probation officers have a massive caseload, often more than 100 folks they're supposed to be closely supervising and this bill would work on focusing supervised release resources on those who really need it, and creating positive incentives for those who are willing and able to be rehabilitated and leave prison much less likely to reoffense. what's your experience -- reoffend. what's your experience about the need to support people when they get out of prison and to provide them with positive incentives rather than just leaving them to their own free will and the very high likelihood they may reoffend and thus violate public safety concerns? ms. bondi: that's why re-entry, we call it, halfway houses, what you need are so important. because people -- many people deserve to go to prison. but many people are going to get out of prison and we don't want a revolving door. we want to do everything we can to make productive members of society. and when someone goes t

durbin: ms. gilbert, ms. mccourt i invite you to answer this as well. you seem to suggest she cannot recuse herself out of her current situation. her background as a lobbyist and attorney representing private interest. that she might be able to find some response to it but cannot overcome what you call systemic, whatever the characterization you used. we have had attorneys general in the past with backgrounds in the private sector facing similar circumstances. >> we have had lobbyists become attorney general's in the past but nowhere near the scope and scale of ms. bondi coming from a firm that represents such a broad swath of corporate america. it would be very hard for her to remove herself from every situation that touches on these corporate interests. i mentioned a geo group. if there is not a pending enforcement action or investigation into them. there is into their top arrival, the other biggest private prison company, core civic. she would not be expected to recuse herself from that but ramifications from that could impact geo group. that is a sm

durbin: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from illinois. mr. durbin: mr. president, are we in a quorum call? the presiding officer: yes, we are. mr. durbin: i ask a this it be suspended. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. durbin: i would like to read in the record a statement from president joe biden this morning on the equal rights amendment. he said as follows -- i have supported the equal rights amendment for more than 50 years and i have long been clear that no one should be discriminated against based on their sex. we as a nation must affirm and protect women's full equality once and for all. on january 27, 2020, the commonwealth of virginia became the 38th state to ratify the equal rights amendment. the american bar association has recognized that the equal rights amendment has cleared all necessary hurdles to be formally added to the constitution as the 28th amendment. i agree with the a.b.a., president biden said is and with leading constitutional scholars that the equal rights amendment has become part of our constitution. it is long pa

durbin: many senators use this to wax poetic. today our nation's 46th president feels appropriate to do so. history says, don't hope on this side of the grave. but then once in a lifetime, the long foretitle wave of justice can rise up and history rhyme. i recited these words -- some of president biden's favorites a -- by irish poet haney. as i reflect on his time in our nation's highest office, i think it's only right to use these words again. over the course of his long service to this country, president joseph biden has been the source of hope and an author of history. and just as haney observed, he became one of the rare leaders who have made hope and history rhyme. america is better for it. over the decades i've another president joe biden, he's proven to be one of the finest public servants america has seen. he worked and put himself in positions to give back to this nation. when it came to i can making decisions of consequence on issues that mattered most to the american people, joe biden put america first. through immense

i saw your sign or senator durbin's sign about cash. i know kash patel has had 60 jury trials as a public defender, as a prosecutor he has a great experience in the intel departments. the department of defense. i have known cash i believe that cash is the right person at this time for this job. you have the ability to question mr. patel. >> i'm questioning you whether you enforce an enemies list that he announced publicly on television? et cetera i'm sorry there will never be an enemies list within the department of justice. >> thank you. the fbi what is the fbi's role in national security and counterterrorism and how important is that role? >> senator, i believe now more than ever counterterrorism is so important and vital in our country. we are facing such incredible threats here and abroad. i am sure you saw former fbi director wray interview on 60 minutes. he talked about the threats that frankly again i do know my security clearance. sent from china right now that are so great sleeper cells within our country. >> given that importa

now to my friend, ranking member durbin. >> thank you, senator grassley. i appreciate your commitment to the bipartisan practices of this committee for vetting presidential nominees. that was in doubt several weeks ago but i spoke to senator grassley and he assured me he is committed to maintaining these practices which we've established over the years. our process is rigorous and it shows how seriously members on both sides of the aisle take our constitutional responsibility and advise and consent. ms. bondi, thank you for coming to my office last week to discuss your nomination. the importance of the attorney general to our justice system cannot be overstated. as our nation's chief law enforcement officer, the attorney general oversees the department of justice which is responsible for protecting the civil rights of americans, economic freedom and opportunity, public safety, and of course national security. in short, the attorney general has real impact on america's everyday life. it is critical that any nominee for this position be committed first and f

senator durbin, i do want to ask you about yesterday.m the hearings yesterday for defense secretary nominee pete hegseth? >> there were many good questions, and i have to commend my colleague, tammy duckworth. >> there's hardly a person more qualified to ask someone who wants to be secretary of defense what their background is and whether it's good enough for the job. tammy duckworth, like so many of our veterans, has sacrificed more than all of us combined. >> and when she comes to the conclusion that he's unqualified for the job, i take that very seriously. >> you know, senator, we i think we all would agree. i think you would agree that a president that's elected by 77 million americans usually should have the right there should be a presumption that that president elect has the right to put who he wants in to, to cabinet agencies and judicial to, to judicial positions. in this case, i must say, though, it seems extraordinary. does it not, that a man who has very little managerial experience and whatever managerial experience he's had

drug abuse, fight human trafficking victims of crime and thanks to all of you for serving senator durbin. >> thank you chairman presley i would take a moment to reflect on yesterday session with ms. bondi seem to be a meeting of the mindsng on criminal juste reform in the present need to protect our children online. that was a good thing there so some outstanding issues from yesterday's hearing that trend that i'm struggling with in a start with a very important issue, who won the election in 2020 and why are we still asking that question for goodness sake, we moved onto a new election new think that would be over the reason why is so well question because he gets to the heart of our democracy in a peaceful transition t from one presidento a new president, by the will of the people, within our resistance without denial pretty phrase is a have significant start witnesses and it does to me into every american in the year 2000, bush versus gore, there was a contest of an into december numerous court contests associated with it has to who actually won the election became a moment when they a

senator durbin. quick's thank you chairman grassley went to take a moment to reflect on yesterday's session with ms. bondy. they seem to be a meeting of minds and criminal justice reform and the need to protect our children online there's are good things. there are still outstanding issues from yesterday's hearing that i am struggling with. let's are the very important issue. what the election in 2020? why are we still asking that question for goodness sakes, we have moved onto a new election. you think that would be over. the reason why that still relevant question because the heart of our democracy the peaceful transition from one president to a new president by the will of the people without resistance. without denial. this -left-curly-bracket hanging chad have any pro witnesses it does to me in every american. in the year 2000 bush versus gore a contest went on till december neuter's numerous court contest associated with it as to who actually won the election for they came a moment al gore stood

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senator durbin's. the witnesses and everyone who's worked on this the last few years. i'm looking forward to the continuation of these cases. people have learned so much. people on the committee who are pretty smart anyway but they have learned more in the last few years and i think people predicted in terms of an understanding of what is going on. one of the reasons we get caught up in this is often people say it is too complicated. i don't want to deal with this. you know what? our constituents are dealing with it everyday. it is incumbent on us to learn where the points of common ground are, how we can move ahead and we are inspired to keep moving. i want to thank you for your good work. do you want to add anything, mike? sen. lee: no. a good point about keeping us vacations low -- expectations low. chair klobuchar: i do not save y low. sen. lee: i agree complete the. chair klobuchar: i have to keep give you that gavel if we keep expectations high. i think we will queue the record open for one week until december 24, 2020 four. -- 2024. that will be a lot of fun. th

finally the judiciary committee has passed numerous bipartisan bills and we thank senator durbin and senator grassley for his longtime work on this, senator cornyn, and as well as senator lindsey graham to stop the abuses of big pharma to keep affordable, generic drugs off the market. it's time these things become law. bringing these to the forefront has brought bipartisan consensus that our antitrust laws must be enforced. i had the honor of introducing both assist talent attorney general jonathan canter. i remember that day well because his son was younger, and he was a big fan of senator ossoff and took senator ossoff's pencil and senate drink thing as a souvenir from the event as senators this always means a lot when we have a fan base, and -- or a fan of some kind which was senator ossoff was the celebrity to jonathan canter's son, and also i introduced ftc chair lena khan in the commerce committee and helped shepherd both of them through the committee with strong votes. khan, 96-29, but who's counting? canter, 68-29. with this, they went on to bring major cases. google, amazon,

senator durbin: she is. it looks like we have a possibility of a real bipartisan state and federal -- i'm glad she came. i'm glad i had a chance to meet her. ms. rollins: thank you, sir. senator durbin: we talked about a lot of things yesterday. i want to talk about one thing that is in the headlines this morning and will be for a long time -- the mass deportation of undocumented people from the united states. i mentioned to you that i have been surprised by the response i received from farmers and ranchers and people involved in agriculture, when it comes to the immigration issue. i told you about the dairy farmer who said, "senator durbin, we are going to close down a dairy operation of three generations because we need immigrant workers for dairy operations in illinois." a lady with the farm bureau raised her hand and said, while you are at it, include the orchards. who is going to pick this crop? it is not the local kids at the high school. they will not even man the fruit stand by the highway. and i put

you dodged that question when you were asked directly by senator durbin. you have to be able to say that january 6th insurrectionists who committed violence shouldn't be pardoned. you have to be able to say a nominee for the f.b.i. director who says he has an enemy list, and that's just the beginning of what he has said in terms of politicizing deeply weaponizing the f.b.i. against political opponents. that he shouldn't be the f.b.i. director. you know, we have some history here with your predecessors, barr, sessions and others, who perhaps sincerely when they sat where you are now said that they would say no but they were working with a president that expected them to be his personal attorney. do you really think that you can avoid the disgrace that they encountered or the repercussions from the white house if you say no to the president? and so my question to you is, can you say no to the president of the united states when he asks you to do something unethical or illegal? >> senator, first i need to clarify something that you said that i have to sit up

durbin. ms. ernst. mr. fetterman. mrs. fischer. mr. gallegos.. mrs. gillibrand. mr. graham. mr. grassley. mr. hagerty. ms. hassan. mr. hawley. mr. heinrich. mr. hickenlooper. mr. rowe no. mr. hoeven. mrs. hyde smith. mr. johnson. mr. kaine. mr. kelly. mr. kennedy. mr. kim. mr. king cop. ms. klobuchar mr. lankford. mr. lee. mr. lujan. ms. alumnus. mr. markey. mr. marshall. mr. mcconnell. mr. mccormick. mr. merkley. mr. moran. mr. marino. mr. mullin. ms. murkowski. mr. murphy. mrs. murray. mr. ossoff. mr. padilla. mr. paul. mr. peters. mr. reed. mr. ricketts. mr. risch. mr. rosen. mr. rounds. mr. rubio. mr. sanders. mr. schatz. mr. schiff. mr. schmitt. mr. schumer. mr. scott of florida. mr. scott of souths. carolina. mrs. shaheen. mr. she he. miss slotkin. mrs. smith. mr. thune mr. tillis. mr. turberville. mr. vane. hollen. mr. vance. mr. warner. mr. warnock. ms. warren. mr. welch. mr. whitehouse. mr. wicker. mr. wyden. mr. young. >> a quorum is present. a quorum is a president present. how to preserve the leadership time is reserve the senate will be in the period of morning busi

and durbin told me this.e said that essentially he's spoken to several of the people mentioned, including senator schiff, who don't think it's necessary. durbin says, i'm standing by them. so certainly that is something that is going to be watched in the final days of the biden administration. but you can see the president choosing to elevate the people and the causes that he holds most dear. and we expect him to do that as he closes out his time in office, wolf. >> all right. kayla tausche over at the white house for us. thank you very much. also tonight, house republicans are just hours away from a very suspenseful vote for speaker of the house that will test mike johnson's hold on the gavel. and president-elect trump's influence over his party. johnson is scrambling to lock up the overwhelming gop support he needs to avoid a protracted floor fight that would have serious consequences for trump and for the new congress. cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox is following all of these developments for us

that is why chair durbin has not been able to fulfill the promise on dreamers every single year. he has tried for the past 20. because people like you make it impossible to have a rational discussion about it. because if we do not secure the border, i can't get a path to citizenship for the daca population. if we don't secure the border, i can't get democrats and republicans to come together and give certainty to the dreamer population. are there any dreamers in the room? raise your hand if you are. all right. well, this is a part of the problem ladies and gentlemen, , you have an incoming republican president who just said as late as sunday that he's prepared to give you certainty. but we have people here demonizing him for asking the reasonable question of, can't we all agree that we need to secure the border? so if you are sincerely, i don't know how you make your money. i don't care what your political motives are. but number one, i would really appreciate it to say if you would go out on social media and say that the president obama did a horrible disservice to those people

durbin didn't lay a glove on her and neither did the other anti-trump grumps who seem to be speakingthe cheap seats at msnbc. >> i'm asking you, sitting here today, whether you are aware of a factual predicate to investigate liz cheney. >> senator. >> based on what you know. >> to investigate liz cheney. we are also worried about liz cheney do you know what we should be worried about. >> ms. bondy, please answer my. >> the state of california right now is through the roof. your robberies are 87% higher than the national average. >> my question is this. >> that's what i would fulks on if i'm confirmed as attorney general. >> laura: does adam schiff really think that americans lie awake at night worrying, freght about the fate of liz cheney? talk about out of touch. this was a six hour exercise in liberal futility it was extended campaign commercial for the g.o.p. >> under what circumstances will you prosecute journalists for what they write? >> is president-elect trump eligible to run for another term as president in 2028. >> can you say no to the president of the united states when h

you dodged that question when you were asked directly by senator durbin. you have to be able to say that january 6th, insurrectionists who committed violence shouldn't be pardoned. you have to be able to say that a nominee for the fbi director who says he has an enemy list, and that's just the beginning of what he has said in terms of politicizing, deeply, weaponizing the fbi against political opponents, that he shouldn't be the fbi director. you know, we have some history here with your predecessors. barr sessions and others who perhaps sincerely, when they sat where you are now, said that they would say no, but they were working with a president that expected them to be his roy cohn, his personal attorney. do you really think that you can avoid the disgrace that they encountered, or the repercussions from the white house if you say no to the president? and so my question to you is, can you say no to the president of united states when he asks you to do something unethical or illegal? >> senator, first, i need to clarify something that you said, that i ha