again from emma woolf child child former child abuse. but doesn't it also about lazy parents?t. >> with that. >> and parents, it. >> and parents, it. >> means parents aren't doing the stuff with their kids that they should be because they've got the phone. >> absolutely agree with that. we as parents, we have a responsibility to do things with our children, to go out, to take take them various places and do things with them and spend time with them in the evenings and restrict them from using phones after a certain hour in their rooms, for example. i agree with all of that, but i don't think taking away a device is the solution. >> what age would you. what age would you give a smartphone? at what age child would you give a smartphone to? >> my daughter had one from the age of 14, but i'm not sure. >> you'd have. you'd have no limit at all. so you could have one at nine. >> i wouldn't, i wouldn't say there's no limit at all. i think you look at the way in which phones are being used, what i would do with a younger child, i'd say they've got very restrictive access to things. it

we've got emma woolf and we've got samuel sweet.an i just say a very, very happy new year to all of you?! very happy new year to all of you? i do thank you very much for joining us this evening. and i'll start with you. look, this is it's very concerning stuff. it's a breaking, developing story, but, you know, it appears pretty cut and dry. isis has attacked america. >> the man was driving a jeep with an isis flag on it. i don't know why we can't just be honest about this and assess the threat and, you know, make kind of make the put the precautions in place that we need to rather than trying to be politically correct about this or not offend people or i don't know. >> yeah. i mean, it's not our fault there was an isis flag on the back of that truck. right? we didn't do that. you know, he did. >> not at all. but it's interesting actually, because i remember watching the nbc coverage, they focused a lot about the immediate safety precautions, as you mentioned. so for example, bollards and like things like that. and i'm like, okay, so

and joining me on the show tonight, we've got journalist and author emma woolf.nk you for coming back on. and we've got a new guest on, on the on the show tonight is our left in the corner. it's lloyd russell—moyle and he is a famous former labour mp remembered for this little shenanigans in parliament just a few years ago. have a look at this. >> i think, david, debate to be resumed. what they said. put it back. no no no no no. order. >> thanks, lloyd, for coming on the show. all right. we saw this week if you could stay awake long enough. we had the speech this week from rachel reeves about growth, about the economy, about growth, about the economy, about how we're going to turn things around and invest in this country. emma, did you stay awake through the speech? >> i stayed awake, but honestly, lee, if this is rachel reeves plan to kick start the economy, if this is her big growth plan, i think we should all just be in total despair. none of this is going to happen. i don't actually think it will ever happen. it's been talked about for what, 20, 25 years? thi

and joining me tonight is writer and journalist emma woolf. his body was found this morning walking around essex in just his pyjama bottoms. but we've captured him and he's back on the show for about the 25th time. former labour mp and minister stephen pound. are you all right, stephen graham, thanks very much indeed. >> it's good to be out of the care home. >> look, guys, bit of fun this week in in parliament again. we've we've had a debate on the local elections in may. we know that up to about 20 different councils have asked for their elections to be delayed in the in the name of regional reorganisation. get my words out. is this a cynical ploy, stephen, to avoid democracy because reform is on the rise? >> well, far be it for me to imply that there is an element of conspiracy here, but it does actually reek, to be perfectly honest. look what basically where we start from is actually a sensible place. the idea at the moment you've got parish councillors, county councillors, district councillors, regional councils, regional mayors, you know,