i'm joined in the studio by graham stringer mp, veteran labour mp.okay to call you that, isn't it? blakeley and middleton south and tom pursglove, former conservative minister who operated in this area. but first, i'm going to get a legal opinion down the line from friend of the program, ivan samson, specialist immigration lawyer. ivan, the last government put legislation in place to say they were going to get tough. they'd solved the problem. this government takes a different approach. i mean, nothing is going to change, is it? >> no. i totally agree with you, nigel. and this is just another gimmick of the government wanting to be seen to be doing something. and the policy now seems to be smash the gangs and this new 78 page bill. i mean, the first part is in four parts. the first part creates the position of border command. you don't need legislation to do that. the home secretary created that. the home secretary created that post anyway. again, it's like this scene would be seen to be doing something, criminalising those handling boat parts or oth