karen pence did not move. she did not get up from her seat to say hi to melania trump or to donald trump. speaking of of the seating, but just the idea to see the two of them potentially in the exact same place where pence was rushed out on january 6th, would be remarkable. >> it will be remarkable. and it's also caitlin. we should note that he was invited by the joint congressional committee that oversees inaugural ceremonies. he was not invited by anyone around trump. so i just want to make that clear. he was invited as part of past presidencies. and that is that is the capacity in which if he shows up, he will do so. but yes, this is look, as you say, he was there for biden's swearing in. that was 14 days after the attack on the capitol by a pro-trump mob. but this is the first time that he will be there in this moment. while trump is having his ascension, it will be a striking moment both for pence and for trump. >> yeah, and of course, we know after trump is sworn in and takes the oath of office, he's goi

i never forgot it, mike pence said to al gore. you do not know how much that means, al gore said, coming from you. guest: it is terrific. thank you for sharing that with me. it speaks to a real truth about congress, which is that you do have these moments where members all the time rise above naked partisan self-interest and just play by the rules or do the right thing and when they do that you hope it rubs off on some other members. and that everybody can lift their game. there is nothing wrong with competing fiercely and disagreeing and debating, but the rules are the rules. for this representative government scheme to work, we all have to be willing to play by the rules. host: about 20 minutes left with kevin kosar this morning. this is ray in syracuse, republican. caller: a previous caller brought up what he thought the solution should be part of the solution on this january 6 issue , that the democrats should present the facts in front of congress and my first thought is they will never do that. the reason is because that wou

donald trump shakes hands with mike pence and melania, as well as karen pence remains seated by his side. karen pence did shake the hand of barack obama and several of the other former presidents and first ladies. it wasn't, though, all icy reception for trump. what appeared to look like a moment of bromance going viral. trump and obama seen having a lighthearted chat. at one point, he even got a laugh out of the 44th president. >> i didn't realize it how friendly it looked. i saw it on your wonderful network just a little while ago before i came in, and i said, boy, they look like two people that like each other. and we probably do. we have little different philosophies, right? but we probably do. i don't know, we just got along, but i got along with just about everybody our my panel is back. >> donald trump seems to really have enjoyed watching the video of his interaction with barack obama. a pretty remarkable. >> yeah. look, we would be better served as a country if we got this version of donald trump more often. and i think generally the idea that people who are on two different sid

and mike pence did. and i think that's a reminder of something that is going to be really important for all of us to keep in mind and to hope for and work for as much as we can over the next four years, which is it's not that institutions guard democracy, it's that the people in charge of those institutions are the ones who guard democracy. it's not the senate. it's senators. it's not the courts. it's judges of particular courts. and so, as so many of us head into a 48-month period here where the result was not what we had hoped for, i think it's important to bear in mind that it worked today, but the weight of it working today was on a party of which i'm not a member. i'm not a democrat. but the democratic party did not try to undo an election in using violent means, and so it's not as reassuring as it could be. but it's a step in the right direction. >> so can we talk about not just having principles but being willing to demonstrate principles. you mentioned mike pence. al gore, much closer election. 3

they did not have a long exchange clearly, trump and pence, but that exchange and that handshake.but there was a handshake. we all remember what happened in january of 2021. this is january of 2025. >> bob, interesting to see al gore, former vice president, right next to mike pence, two vice presidents who found some common drive despite party difference, having both presided over the certification of elections they lost. mike pence recently being quoted as talking about a conversation with al gore where al gore said i really respect you, and pence saying i drew on your example. >> and this an extraordinary moment as the president-elect sitting next to barack obama. >> you think about in 2016 during the transition these two men barack obama, donald trump, two presidents had a bit of a chilly exchange. everyone was bewildered in the democratic party by trump's selection. there's former president george w. bush. >> who did not shake trump's hand. and the first lady, former first lady laura bush. >> but this is the way it's supposed to be. this is the way america operates. one presid

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, when mike pence. there he is. there he is talking to al gore. i'm sorry. oh, and dan quayle. i mean, that's the vice presidents, vice presidents club, three of them together. we learned that mike pence, on that fateful day, that horrible day, said he was going. he decided to buck donald trump and not overturn the will of the people, in part because he remembered being a young member of congress. hunter biden and seeing al gore doing it. and there's hunter biden, a new grandfather. his grandson was born yesterday in l.a. amid all of the fires going on there. there you see, marilyn quayle, the former second lady, in addition to dan quayle, at moments like this, number one, you see all the dignitaries paying due respect to former president carter. >> you try to trace arcs of history, like what is happening today that you can trace back to those days, and you can look in our american politics, you can certainly look in the middle east and find the arc of history that things that began or at least gained f

pence was committed to saying we're going to get back in tonight. >> have you talked to pence in thefew days? how is rereflecting on a day like today? >> i think he looks back on it and hopes that today is a day that we can look at, and history will begin to say it was a triumph that our system worked. there's so much focused -- >> only because of people like him. there are now people in his place that have said they will not do what he did. >> i appreciate that, but i think fortunately, there are a lot of checks and balances in our system. i think they carried the day that day. i think there are enough people who still have principle. >> let's listen in to vice president harris calling for order. >> pursuant to the constitution and laws of the united states, the senate and house of representatives are meeting in joint session to verify the certificates and count the votes of the electors of the several states for president and vice president of the united states. after ascertainment has been had, that the certificates are authentic and correct in form, the tellers will count and mak

one more tweet, this from mike pence, noting he will attend the inauguration. saying this is a date when every american does well to celebrate our democracy and the peaceful transfer of power under the constitution. pedro, you showed vivek ramaswamy in the rotunda there, the coleader of d.o.g.e. though not excited to be part of the department of government efficiency for much longer. this is the headline from politico, noting that ramaswamy is set to leave d.o.g.e., cbs news noting he is excited to step away from the task force. he intends to announce a campaign for ohio governor as soon as the end of january, according to multiple sources and multiple outlets, reporting vivek ramaswamy, 39 years old, he will be in attendance today. host: let's hear from dakota in new york, republican line. caller: hello. i just wanted to say happy martin luther king day, and i think, for a lot of us, this is a very good day. it is a historic date. i want to wish president trump and everyone else involved a safe day. that is what i have for now. thank you for taking my call. ho

a focus on al gore and mike pence.land, ohio, republican. >> thank you for taking my call, appreciate it. the democrats ride this thing all the way to the finish line constantly. they tried writing it really well and they tried using it as a huge vote-get her. for nine years they've been attacking donald trump. they've impeached him twice for ridiculous things, they've done three horrible court cases against them that are falling apart. how does a judge that donated to biden, everybody on that side of that new york trial, he doesn't have to recuse himself at all? it is just an endless amount of things. this january 6 thing, we don't know what to think anymore. there are thousands of files. mccarthy was going to let lose a bunch of them. there's different videos of things that have gone on and disarray apps guy, -- this ray apps guy, he's not been in jail. host: would you agree with robert knight in today's washington times. january 6, 2021 with the gift that kept on giving to the democrats. at least they thought so unt

hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> the counting of electoral votes was paused as lawmakers from both parties fled, or barricaded themselves inside secure locations. vice president pence was taken to a loading dock, but he refused to leave the building. cassidy hutchinson, a top aide to then chief of staff mark meadows testifying that trump, quote, thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. in the violence that day, one rioter was killed by police defending the house chamber. three others in the crowd also died. one capitol police officer who was attacked died the next day. a number of other law enforcement officers would die by suicide in the months that followed. at the time, top republicans in congress blamed one man. >> all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> there's no question, none. preside

mike pence, mike pence. mike pence. >> there was once a creature in the forest named mike pence.-- until they tried to hang him. >> it is stunning. >> it is stunning. it is. how quickly people fell from -- for the lie. i look at that elise stafanik live and i'm thinking to myself, you are such a submissive. you are so desperate to be in the room, to be in the game. you will capitulate and you will change your view, you know? there's so many republicans like that. the other aspect that i thought was fascinating and raised a question for me was you look at it from the political side and with john bolton and what he wrote. it also applies to the judicial side, to the same idea of loyalty and fealty. we watched three supreme court nominees go before hearings and tell us and lie to us about what they would and would not do, right? they have now shown that fealty, that divisiveness, by giving trump all of the power you will ever need, more power than any president in the country's history has ever had. now, they are vested in him because all he has to do, nicole, is to think about some

hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. >> this is january 6th. from that date forward, and pretending that this is no longer what today means is to put it lightly an insult to every cop that was injured that day, every terrified congressional staffer and member, every capitol worker who had to clean up the feces the trump mob smeared on the wall, and to every decent notion anyone ever had about this country. it's also a lie. it's a lie most republicans and even some in the media want to tell you because it makes republicans feel better, and apparently making republicans feel better is really important. because while there elected officials hid in terror, with every single democrat, the party itself very quickly changed their mind, led by trump and their favorite billionaire news channel, rupert murdoch's fox. they created a new big lie that january 6th was just a normal tourist occasion and really not that big of a deal. will you know what, sorry, but it was a big deal. it was an insurrection, the first violent sacking of our capitol since the wa

pence's statement is particularly notable because four years ago he was not afforded the same smoothause he refused to help overturn joe biden's election win. that day and pence's decision not to intervene with the certification is at least part of the reason of he was replaced as donald trump's running mate. joining us now democratic congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan. congresswoman, thanks for joining us on "way too early." i wonder if we can reflect on what we saw yesterday on the hill, which is to say seeing nothing after four years ago, of course seeing the images what we played on the screen, what was going through your mind during the certification? how were you thinking about this moment in. >> so yesterday was smooth. democrats are not election deniers. none of us could not think about what happened four years ago, if they had been there four years before. the freshmen were talking about it and asking what it was like, but it showed there was an attack on our democracy. all of us even the election deniers on the republican side, came back in the middle of the night to

hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> reporter: today pence saying, "i welcome the return of order and civility to these historic proceedings. it particularly admirable that vice president harris would preside over the certification of a presidential election that she lost." more than 1,600 people have been charged for their actions on january 6th. 600 of them for assaulting or resisting law enforcement. 140 officers were injured. but trump has called the rio rioters, patriots and hostages. do you believe that the president-elect should pardon -- >> i'm going to leave that to him. but people who beat up police officer s are in a different category than others. >> reporter: president biden hoping the nation has turned a page. >> i think what he did was a genuine threat to democracy. i'm hopeful that we're beyond that. >> reporter: the biden administration intent on showing the world the peaceful transfer of power. weeks ago, president biden invited president-elect donald trump to the white house for a t

but pence's wife, the former second lady karen pence, does not stand up and seems to ignore the president elect entirely. cnn's tom foreman joins us. tom, it's awkward, but i was thinking about it. and i thought that day in the capitol, it wasn't just pence. it was one of their children who was there and in danger. and i think that's some context that's important. if you are karen pence, a mother and a wife. sure, sure. >> and if you look at donald trump's presence at this funeral and the way he was regarded by almost everyone there, you get a sense of how awkward this was. he was seated in the second row down on the end. last presidential funeral was back when george h.w. bush, well, he was president. then he got to sit right up front in the main seat. now he's in the second row. he's just in front of pence. he's behind kamala harris. he was bending barack obama's ear much of the time, but pretty much no one else there spent any time really talking to him. and when kamala harris came in, she sort of looked right past him and he sat there, seemingly sort of staring daggers at her for a mo

pence was too honest. just a part of what everyone's been wondering. remember just last week we did see the two men, pence and trump, shaking hands at the funeral of the 39th president of the united states. it had been a long time since we've seen anything like that. even cordial behavior between the two of them. i want to bring in new york times, justice and fbi reporter devlin barrett. devlin, how often are you and i in these middle of the night conversations, waiting to get more information about doj? well, we've got at least part of it right now. hot off the presses. this volume. one of the things that trump did not want people to see, but also something that he believes that the voters of america in reelecting him to be the 47th president cared not much about. but here we have it. what are your thoughts? >> i mean, we're still reading and processing, but right away, my initial reaction to what we're seeing from jack smith is for a prosecutor who never got to go to trial, this is his closing argument. >> this is his final account of what he believe

you can hear them chanting hang mike pence. it's crazy to me that the effort to rewrite the history of january 6 has been as successful as it has been when you have so much video of exactly what happened that day for anybody who wants to see it to see. >> let's move forward. susan, what comes next? what are you expecting when donald trump's more controversial administration picks have the confirmation hearings? >> yeah, this is the first really big test where we will stop speculating and start to understand about the concrete nature of trump 2.0 and one of the big questions is to what extent, if at all, will republicans in the senate, he can only afford to lose three votes in any one of these controversial cabinet nominations he has put forward, with senate republicans book him in any serious way or not. i think and you look at the upcoming confirmation hearings for pete hegseth, his fox news host nominee to be the secretary of defense. facing allegations of sexual misconduct and questions around his previous experience or lack

and mike pence and mike pence. mike pence, those efforts culminating on january 6th, 2021, after trump addressed a crowd of his supporters before many of them marched on the capitol to disrupt the transfer of power. smith recounts several events from that day, including when trump sat back at the white house watching rioters attack the capitol while sitting in the oval office dining room. while there alone, he sent off a tweet. rioters then read it out loud in almost real time, with a bullhorn. mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. >> usa demands the truth. >> in the conclusion of that report, jack smith writes that he believes the facts and law supported his team's findings against trump, but only the 2024 election derailed the prosecution. smith writes this quote indeed, but for mr. trump's election

do we have mike pence?e pence, the last time he was in the building, he was being chased by a man dressed as a buffalo. he showed up anyway. he showed up without mother. karen pence opted not to celebrate the man who was all good with a bunch of yahoos killing her husband. mike is actually the fun one in the couple. the award for best dressed at today's inauguration, let's go back to that, went to senator john fetterman who looked like his mom interrupted his fortnite game and forced him to come downstairs. you know, john, even adam sandler wears a suit to the golden globes. after he was sworn in trump gave his second inaugural address, which, i have to say was more ominous than anticipated. >> in order to ensure the security and continuing stability, the republic will be reorganized into the first galactic empire. >> so this is how liberty dies. by thunderous applause. >> jimmy: that's right. emperor pap teen-y hands is back. it was not an uplifting or even well-written speech. trump said "the golden age o

mike pence, of course, was going to shake donald trump's hand. he's a class act.nk he sees it as his duty to be a stabilizing force, similar to how he showed up to joe biden's inauguration after january 6th. i did notice that his wife, karen pence, did not stand up and greet the trumps, and i don't i would certainly not speak for her, but i think any wife who has children and herself were in danger with her husband on january 6th, that would be challenging to shake the hand of the person responsible for that. but i think it was a good moment for mike pence to show that he can be the bigger person in this situation. >> karen, what did you make of the and again, it's a funeral or at a distance, yeah. but still, i would have expected a warmer greeting between the bidens and doug emhoff and vice president harris. no. >> although it's not like they don't see each other. i mean, who knows? they may have already been in a hold together before they came out. we don't know. but, you know, i was more struck, actually, jake, both from the ceremony and the images by the arc o

we saw vice president mike pence, former vice president pence arrive today.on the ticket by jd vance. but the last time that he was at the capitol and in the presence of donald trump and donald trump's supporters, his supporters were calling for mike pence to be killed and president trump was egging them on. we saw vice president pence today arrive without his wife. we saw former president obama today also arrive without former first lady michelle obama. even though things today went smoothly and effectively. essentially, according to plan, you can see sort of the scars and the friction that remains because of this unusual ascendance to the presidency here. i wonder if any of that was reflected in the conversations that you were part of today, and what people talked about behind the scenes. >> okay, so first of all, i was with vice president pence four years ago, and we made that walk together with senator blunt at 330 in the morning. so i appreciated that he came back and i appreciated what he did that night. as for the car ride, so president biden was very,

america flag emoji. >> not with mike pence, karen pence. former second lady is not there, who has been very clear about her disdain for and how upset, understandably, she was about january 6th. she was there with him when the mob was outside calling for -- >> hang mike pence. >> -- her husband to be hanged. >> and the entire country, donald trump included, owes mike pence, actually quite a lot of gratitude for what he did on that day. not only for fulfilling his constitutional responsibility but also in the midst of the chaos, when the secret service was telling him we have to go, we have to get out of here. we don't know if we can protect you in this building. he insisted on staying and certifying the election when the congress came back into session. >> i don't know if we control the feed or not, but it's really remarkable to see these tech ceos or founders in the case of jeff bezos, the founder of amazon, standing alongside members of the trump cabinet. >> they got better seats than some members of the cabinet. >> just remarkable. i can'

our country. >> and if you're not, i'm going to be very disappointed in you. >> mike pence and mike pencegressman. we won by sending a message to pence that if they don't do as they are, as it is their oath to do, if they don't uphold the constitution, then we will remove them from office one way or another, one way or another. >> it's where we start today with former dc metropolitan police officer michael fanone, who was one of the brave officers who defended the us capitol, from trump supporters who rioted on january 6th. he's also the author of hold the line. the insurrection and one cop's battle for america's soul. with me at the table is former assistant u.s. attorney and president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights, maya wiley. michael, i just wanted to hear you talk today. i wanted to hear your voice on this moment in american politics. >> yeah, i appreciate that. i really don't have much to say. >> i feel like i've said everything that i can. i warned the american people about donald trump's conduct. i do agree with the grand jurors, the panel of grand jurors t

there is vice president mike pence and vice president al gore.interesting moment that pence told gore that when he decided to follow the constitution and preside over the awarding of the electoral votes to joe biden back in january 2021, it was al gore who he took some inspiration from. al gore, who presided over the counting of the electoral votes in his own defeat. despite many members of the house objecting, and gore said to him, that means more to me than you can know. and anita mcbride, one of the things that's so remarkable about this is the presence of first families. and you told me just a minute ago that there are individuals there dating back to the family of president franklin roosevelt. right. >> exactly. one of the granddaughters of franklin roosevelt, along with representatives of every presidential family from that point forward, are together in that moment of national significance. but they were also together this morning at the white house. and the bidens had invited the carter family and presidential families to be together befo

utilizÓ electores falsos, dice el reporte presionÓ al vicepresidente mike pence varias veces, humillÁndoloe esa carta va a poder entender. >> claro, Él asegurÓ que fue un reto hacer esta investigaciÓn. cuÁles cree usted fueron los principales retos? >> bueno, el hecho de que estÁ acusando a alguien que estuvo en la casa blanca, que va, que quiere y regresa a la casa blanca, eso es algo que Él en muchos casos no confronta. tambiÉn el hecho de que hay ciertas inmunidades que la corte suprema ahora nos dice que hay y que Él tiene que procesar el ca y tratar de proceder aunque haya inmunidad en ciertas cosas. todo eso no es comÚn en un caso iminal y por eso en gran parte se llevÓ mucho tiempo. >> cuÁl es el propÓsito de dar a conocer este reporte ahora? >> bueno, la ley del fiscal especial lo requiere. asÍ que cada fiscal especial, cuando termina su investigaciÓn, estÁ obligado bajo la ley a emitir un reporte. pero yo creo que Él quiere dejar claro tambiÉn en este reporte. la historia quiere explicar que para un futuro ya sean dÉcadas, a cientos de aÑos en un futuro, que puedan regresar y ver

. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> now, four years later, trump will stand in that very same place and, once again, swear to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. all of trump's living predecessors will watch this moment in history, including president biden. the man who defeated trump four years ago as he called him a threat to democracy. the two will ride together from the white house to the capitol. that was trump leaving last time when he denied joe biden that same courtesy, leaving the white house hours before the inauguration, having never acknowledged the validity of biden's victory. four years later, the nation expecting a return to normalcy with a peaceful transfer of power. in washington, donald trump is finding deference, not defiance, as he calls for sweeping changes across the government and the nation. republicans are ectatic this time about the possibilities for a second trump term. ♪ y-m-c- a fun to stay at the y-m-c- a ♪ >> that was donald trump last night dancing with

and mike pence is former vp. just days before this inauguration was suggesting that it was capitulating to a chinese national security threats. and so in mike pence, what is his political future look like? it's not clear, especially within his republican party. yet at the same time, by coming here today, he respected the norms of the transfer of power and his former boss. and clearly somebody who continues to be involved in conservative politics going forward. >> alicia, what is on our screen is what would have been had this been held outside, probably one of donald trump's favorite aspects of the inauguration. let's listen in for a second. it's a military review. ceremonial piece. >> oh. thank you. >> it's going to be able to play it on the track. >> so that's the delegation there making their way in. as you watch this go on. this is steeped in tradition donald trump's day one actions not so much. >> they are not i mean, let's talk first about these border executive actions. >> what they're actually doing is cut

but of particular note there, the interaction with mike pence. that was fascinating to watch. karl. >> oh, it really was mike pence who served donald trump so loyally and had such a spectacular break with him on january 6th. you know, seeing the five presidents together, it is such a moment, a rare moment that you saw barack obama, such a rare moment in american history when we see the presidents get together. it's been about seven years since the funeral of george h.w. bush. so five current and former presidents, we will see there there's barack obama. we're also going to hear the words of a sixth former president, david stephen ford, the son of former president gerald ford, who died almost 20 years ago, is going to read a tribute, a eulogy to jimmy carter that was written by his father, that was written by president ford. ford wrote it shortly before he died, wanted to pay tribute to the man who beat him. gerald ford, lost to jimmy carter. jimmy carter became president. there's a moment right there. barack obama sitting next to president trump. suffice it to say something, y

we all remember the rioters chanting "hang mike pence." he spoke publicly and praised vice president kamala harris, calling it particularly admirable she presided over the certification of an election that she lost. what do you make of that? >> it was consistent with what he did four years ago. he stood up to donald trump. donald trump put tremendous pressure on mike pence to go beyond his constitutional duties and overturn the results of the election, do something he had no power to do, send results back to the states or throw them out completely, to have a new election or install donald trump as president. he saw in kamala harris what he had done four years ago. it isn't something extraordinary, isn't something that should be an act of heroics or something, this is just what you're supposed to do in office. i would say one thing about rewriting of history that's so crazy is this was all on video. you can see the rioters beat the police and drag people down the steps and use the american flag to assault people. you can hear them chant "ha

as pence himself reportedly told the president that he does not have that power.peaker! the vice president and the united states senate! (all clapping) jamie raskin: it was the day after we had tommy's funeral, so it was a very tender, raw time, and our youngest daughter, tabitha, said, "daddy, don't go. i want you to stay home." and i said, i have to go in because this is a constitutional responsibility. so i invited tabitha instead to come with me. madam speaker, i wanna thank you first, and all my dear beloved colleagues for your love and tenderness which my family and i will never forget. (all clapping) i felt very disoriented, but i was overwhelmed by the love of my colleagues and i entertained this completely fantastical thought that sympathy about tommy would somehow prevent any further division or polarization on that day. and of course, that was just a pipe dream. we are not here, madam speaker, to vote for the candidate we want. we are here to recognize the candidate the people actually voted for in the states. after i spoke, tabitha went to an office ne

there was no more than a handshake between mike pence and donald trump. >> i got a kiss from mike pencebut the fact our country transitions power and honors presidents who came before. it wouldn't have been done better than it was done today. >> speaking of that, the music. jonathan alter is with us and wrote the carter biography pointed out that not only is every selection meaningful to jimmy carter, imagine john lennon, john denver, but i was wondering about the selection by wagner in the end. jonathan, jump in here. what can you tell us about the meaning of that? >> many people know that jimmy carter was protege to the father of the nuclear navy and colin powell said that's what won the cold war because the soviets did not have them and jimmy carter was right there and almost didn't get hired based on his very harsh interview. one of the questions he was asked, what kind of music you listen to? carter mentioned the music he loved. and he said, which movement? >> [ laughter ] >> he drilled down into the sand carter hadn't answered the questions properly, history would be different. >>

, in basically four years since icbe trump and pence left office. again, two weeks after the attack, where tdonald trump's supporter threatened to take the life of vice president mike pence. and notably, the former second lady, wife karen pence, did not stand, didn't even appear to look at donald trump enas he wa arriving. that was striking to me as well there. but it did speak volumes to see this gathering of current and former presidents and the current president there, celebrating the life rrof jimmy carter, who in many ways, as joe biden himself said today, never let the tides of politics direct him from his mission to serve and as you look at the plane that will carry jimmy carter's remains back to plains, georgia. it will stop at fort benning there, in georgia, before returning to plains, maranatha baptist church is where a private service will take place later today. that is a place where jimmy carter, chris, as we sort of spoke about the lifetime of service, it's a place where he concluded each lesson with a challenge, basically, to all of t

he also warned mike pence when pence said, i can't do this for you, i'm going to have to go after youmember that from prior recitations of the facts here, but he basically told pence, i'm going to publicly criticize you. and then what did he do in the next breath? he lied to the public and said that he and pence were in agreement about the plan going forward to throw out votes. when they then got together with john eastman and pence said, look, i can't do that. i can't return these electoral votes to the states. trump said to him, well, i like the other thing better. the other thing being just throw them all out altogether. you know, that's the kind of detail here that while it's not game changing, there are some additional details here that i think will inform the way that people understood jack smith's charging decisions, both in terms of what he did charge and as ken mentioned, what he didn't in terms of insurrection and some of the other options that were on the table. >> ken, i want to ask you about two other investigations. will we ever see the final report on the classified doc

marilyn quail and the honorable michael pence. [band playing] ♪ [applause] >> harris: molly, i was reading your lips from across. i couldn't hear what you said. you had a huge smile on your face. >> it is so great to see dan and mar marilyn quayle. he did something almost no one else does, leave the public purview to serve as a private citizen but it is great to see him here for the festivities. >> harris: we are going to watch again. ♪ [applause] >> harris: the arrival of bill clinton, former president and first lady, former hillary clinton went on to be the secretary of state and ran against trump. he beat her in 2016 and they have arrived now. what are your thoughts about -- you had mentioned susie wiles, there she is off to the left in the pretty white jacket. we saw pence come in and look, it is not lost on anybody that that was a troubled relationship for a while within the republican party for some but certainly with trump. that's not where we are now. hold for a second and let's watch one more time. >> ladies and gentlemen

he has not done in public in a very long time, he shook hands with his former vice president, mike pence. again, that is of course the honorable thing to do at the funeral. those two men have been estranged ever since donald trump oversaw the attack on the capitol which included public calls to assassinate is vice president. president carter laid to rest tonight, in his hometown in plains, georgia. and that's where we and our broadcast honoring and saluting the former president. residents under evacuation orders. at least five people are reported dead so far. officials said the number could rise. the santa ana winds, drought and climate change exacerbated the fires in california, creating dystopian seasons at iconic l.a. landmarks. the brush fire called the sunset fire broke out in the hollywood hits near utrunyon canyon wednesday evening spreading close to the famous walk of fame in the historic theaters on hollywood boulevard. thankfully, the sunset fire is now 100% contained. the multiple other fires are still active from the one that burned more than 17,000 acres as well as numerous

the first time pence and trump had seen each other since the events of january 6th.nk it was very interesting to see the way -- the degree to which president trump seemed to engage president obama, he seemed very excited to engage with him. and it seemed that the other former presidents did not seem signer enthused to be with president trump who was -- seemed to be -- he's very much part of this crowd. i think it was a great and significant reminder he's in the mix, he's not only a former president, he's an incoming president, and when we think about who, you know, who this group is, he's very much a part of it. i think that we felt some feelings from other people in the room about that. >> yeah, a part of it twice over, frankly. you look at the fact that hillary clinton is on one side of him, someone who he bested in 2016, and then his most recent opponent, vice president kamala harris sitting directly in front of him, only at one point looking back over her shoulder during the conversation he was having with president biden -- sorry, with president obama. jen gerso

he also warned mike pence when pence said, i can't do this for you, i'm going to have to go after youfrom prior recitations of the facts here, but he basically told pence, i'm going to publicly criticize you. and then what did he do in the next breath? he lied to the public and said that he and pence were in agreement about the plan going forward to throw out votes. when they then got together with john eastman and pence said, look, i can't do that. i can't return these electoral votes to the states. trump said to him, well, i like the other thing better. the other thing being just throw them all out altogether. you know, that's the kind of detail here that while it's not game changing, there are some additional details here that i think will inform the way that people understood jack smith's charging decisions, both in terms of what he did charge and as ken mentioned, what he didn't in terms of insurrection and some of the other options that were on the table. >> up next, award winning talk show host graham norton joins us on his wildly popular bbc program. and to share the inspirati

today, mike pence said he welcomed the return of order and civility to these historic proceedings.arly admirable that vice president kamala harris would preside over the certification of a presidential election that she lost. here's the moment she did so: the votes for president of the united states are as follows. donaldj trump of the state of florida has received 312 votes. kamala d harris... cheering and applause. kamala d harris of the state of california has received 226 votes. cheering and applause. around 60 million americans are under severe weather alerts, as a winter storm sweeps through the east coast bringing heavy snowfall and freezing temperatures. as many as five deaths have reportedly been connected to the dangerous storm. seven states, including kentucky, virginia, maryland and kansas, have declared a state of emergency. in the worst—hit state of kansas, authorities have closed two major interstate highways. the storm has also disrupted flight travel across the east coast, with more than fifteen hundred cancelled due to heavy snowfall. here in washington, the natio

former chief of staff to mike pence.nks for being here. >> good to see you. >> every report i read when it comes to the panama canal and greenland and canada, it is actual demands and a point to get leverage and trolling. what does that say about the president-elect's upcoming administration before he is in office, he is making demands and maybe just trolling? >> frank, he enjoying the trolling and bringing attention back to him. i don't think it is an accident that the focus on panama was the same week of the passing of jimmy carter and his state funeral because, obviously, that was a big part of the carter administration giving away the panama canal. i think there is heightened concern about china and i remember in 2019 the president sent vice president pence up to iceland for an arctic summit to talk to some of our allies up there about the concerns we had about china's growing investment and i think that megan's analysis was great about the fact that there has been a continued concern that china is not only investing

mike pence is expected to be here. he may be the one person who no one probably would have given a thought to if he had decided not to come, given the history between him and donald trump. but again, an institutionalist, somebody who believes in the constitution and expected to be here, nancy pelosi will not be here. katie, she's 84 years old. she's had a hip replacement. i asked jim clyburn about that and he said, you know, there will be people on the democratic side who will not want to be there. and now, in many ways, some of them won't have to make that decision because, as you know, they're expected to be hundreds of thousands of people out on the other side of the capitol when they moved it inside because of the cold weather. and i can affirm, as you can, that it is cold. it's fewer than, i think, 800 people who can sit inside for the actual swearing in ceremony. and then there is another area below where they can get in something under 2000 people. >> but an extraordinary day, something politico called katie. >>

he'll be coming next noteworthy noteworthy that misses karen pence is not. now she has not met and that steely look, it donald trump jimmy carter i think part a funeral. >> she's not. karen pence is in here and michelle obama right again. something to be put into context, though. we've never cared. >> if former first lady's of first vice second lady, whoever the were relevant. and i think that we care about it often for the wrong reasons, which is what does it say to the division? what does it say say to the division. what doe to distress? s sion. what doe it say i don't think we need to be concerned about it as much because we'll see what happens going forward because he now has a competing domestic crisis. tiktok matters to americans. it's 170 million people would be the largest disenfranchising a fundamental right. we've seen in a generation open. if you lose that public foreign clinton and that started on trump's watch in twenty-twenty when he signed an executive order ironically and then it was delivered to congress and now he is delaying his idea to ha

today, mike pence said he welcomed the return of order and stability to these historic proceedings.tulated donald trump and said it was particularly admirable that vice president kamala harris would preside over the certification of a presidential election that she lost. vp harris: the votes for president of the united states are as follows. donald j. trump of the state of florida has received 312 votes. [cheers and applause] kamala d. harris of the state of california has received 226 votes. [cheers and applause] anchor: now to the middle east. israel says hamas has not given any details about the status of the hostages it claims it is ready to release in the first phase of a potential deal. a senior hamas official showed the bbc a list of hostages who he says the group is willing to release, which include all the women, children, elderly, and sick captives. but it is unclear how many of them are alive. this comes as negotiators from both sides have been holding indirect talks in qatar. meanwhile, a police officer is among three israelis who have been shot dead in the occupied west

let's try and get mike pence to overturn the election. the depth of the lies is quite significant. what jack smith wrote, the department's view that the constitution prohibits the continued indictment and prosecution of a president is categorical, and does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged. the strength of the government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the office stands fully behind. so that quote, is jack smith assessing that. we think that we had the case that we would have won, convinced a jury to find donald trump guilty, even though what the supreme court said that there was immunity around the presidency. >> and caitlin, inside this report, there are some new details, including at least one thing that jack smith and his team, at least for a time, considered. >> they considered a couple of things, john. one, that they considered charging other people, potentially some of these other people that were working with trump, and they decided to keep it focused on the case against trump and not charge those other people. what they wrote was, this report s

pence, no. but the ones who showed up in a sense did normalize trump today.>> well, this is the this is we are in this uncharted territory and there are no good answers. and that's why we keep coming back and forth to what is the right thing to do. right? because the democrats who are there are thinking, i'm not saying they're right. i'm just saying that the thinking is that they are somehow protecting these norms and institutions. now, i could argue that they're not, but i think that there it is. just when you have one party that has really given up on our system. right? i mean, the republicans will do anything for trump. it's impossible to sort of walk it back and to get some kind of normal democracy. >> and, i mean, we still believe, i mean, and look, then we're left subjected to vice president kamala harris having to get into the car with the man, jd vance, who four days before the election called her the trash. and we're going to take out the trash and the trash. his name is kamala harris. he said those words out of his mouth and, you know, and yet she h