roy cohn. >> roy cohn was the man about town.connected everyone. he was the one who put people together and deals together. in one day, you might see carmine desapio-- he was an old mafia don. or you might see cardinal spellman from the catholic church. or you might see george steinbrenner, the owner of the yankees. they all were clients of roy's. it was a crazy assemblage of people. (sirens wailing, car horn honks) >> roy cohn had 20 years of being a really aggressive, no-holds-barred, go for the jugular, fight back, "anybody says something to you, throw it back at them" guy. he was famous for that behavior. >> i met him at a supper club. and we were seated at tables next to each other. we were introduced. and he said, "listen, i've spent two days with these establishment law firms about a case we have." it was a civil rights case or something. "and they're all telling us, 'give up, do this, sign a decree,' and all of that." he says, "i've followed your career "and you seem, you're a little bit crazy, like i am, "and you stand u

she's his roy cohn. i like to remind people that roy cohn was disbarred. >> and barbara, very quickly, the whole issue of how she talked about the 2020 election is something that she was asked repeatedly about, and she answered it in a very kind of. >> muddled way. >> yes. and i really think this is something senators should come back and hammer her on because she's very coy, although she will say that she accepts that joe biden is the president, she will not say that she accepts that the 2020 election is fair. those are two different things, and i think that senators should come back and really hammer her on that so that we can get a clear answer from her. >> there is a 30 minute pause for lunch at that hearing, and we will, of course, resume it and bring it to you right here on msnbc. paul butler, barbara mcquade, thank you very much. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. thank you for the privilege of your time. for the privilege of your time. andrew mitch prilosec knows, for a fire...

so that's like the roy cohn move i'm mentioning. and this came up.l the way back in the mueller report when another trump lawyer, michael cohen, had to pay and go to prison for now convicted crimes that were determined on trump's behalf. and it was farmed out to a different office. and you might remember some of that history. fast forward to now, and smith's report explains why prosecutors were ready to defeat donald trump's attempted lawyer or counsel defense, noting smith and the doj thought they would beat any advice of counsel defense because these kind of so-called lawyers were actually acting as accomplices to the crime and to support that, the report notes. giuliani backing the original plot to declare victory before there was a winner called and then presenting knowingly false claims to state legislatures. >> it's a highly inaccurate machine. >> what would that suggest? phantom votes. >> there's overwhelming proof of fraud. >> you don't have to be a genius to figure out that those votes are not legitimate votes. >> the report poses similar pr

well, roy cohn was hired in 1953 when senator mccarthy took over the permanent subcommittee on investigations. he hired cohn to be the chief counsel. cohn was relatively well-known because he had been on the team that prosecuted ethel and julius rosenberg, who were spies, who were convicted of spying and actually executed. so he had a reputation as a very aggressive investigator, a prosecutor. it later became clear that he was very unethical and very abrasive and unethical, but he was the kind of person that would really be an attack dog in the kind of lawyer that that mccarthy needed. and robert kennedy. robert kennedy was also hired to be assistant counsel on the permanent subcommittee at about the same time in 1953. of course, he was a scion of the massachusetts kennedy family, the democrats and he was an ardent anti-crime. and so were really the kennedy family. the kennedys were very ardent. andy communists and and the patriarch of the kennedy family, joseph kennedy, admired senator mccarthy. so it was not a complete surprise that robert kennedy would would join this effort. but he did no

would talk about where's my roy cohn? where's my roy roy cohn. and he very much wanted you know you'd see this on. >> his tweets. if you go. >> back in the archive. wanted the justice department to. prosecute people. i will say though that also this is part of the reason why democrats are a bit frustrated with some of the pardons joe. >> biden did. >> on his way out. >> not necessarily that he. >> did. >> the pardons, but. >> like particularly when he did. >> the hunter pardon. he also claimed that the justice department had been politicized, that the case against his own son was politicized. and that has basically given the trump team a talking point to justify what they are doing now. and democrats just feel even biden's very close aides feel a deep sense of frustration. >> indeed. laura. alex, thanks so much. laura, i should note, of course, we'll be back at 11 p.m. eastern time for her show. laura coates live just ahead this hour. more on today's confirmation hearing for rfk jr.. our doctor, sanjay gupta, is standing by live. >> kobe didn't w

they don't remember roy cohn and how influential he was.search you can really see and predict everything else trump is doing now. >> seth: when i was watching, i was thinking jeremy has maybe done some of the best limousine acting of any of our modern -- just with "succession" and this, no one has done more like real limo acting. >> i think you're right. but he's -- honestly, i loved working with him, and it's important to have a trust and partnership like that. i think we elevated each other. it was a lot of things we improvised in the film. >> seth: as i'm sure you're a huge fan of his work, i'm also -- let's just be honest, don't you wish you had jeremy's confidence to wear his outfit to the globes? [ laughter ] i saw him -- i was so deeply jealous. >> i thought he got the idea from me at the met ball, all in pink a couple of years ago. >> seth: you two, you have something in common. >> but he looked great. velvet always wins. >> seth: i was in a dumb black tuxedo like, why can't i bmore like jeremy strong? >> and then i think -- at one

he began having problems with roy cohn . they had very intense conflicts, and ultimately had even a fistfight , after which robert kennedy resigned from committee staff. >> okay, with the mccarthy hearings lasting a little over a year, jim townsend, how many hearings were held? with a closed, open to the press? et cetera? scene hundreds and hundreds of hearings, something like 690, an incredible number of hearings were held during this period. there were a mix of close and open hearings. early on, a lot of the hearings were held in private. the significance of this is that this allowed senator mccarthy to-- after the conclusion of a hearing on a given day, to go out and hold a press conference and characterize what evidence was given. he would often mischaracterize and exaggerate the findings that they had come up with in the hearing. but there was nobody really standing up and opposing, and contradicting him , because the media and the public were not watching, it gave him a platform to continue, essentially, deceiving the

sebastian stan is nominated as donald trump and jeremy strong of succession fame is nominated as roy cohn so the apprentice looks like it's a real contender. >> and sebastian stan won a golden globe for another performance in a different movie, which is he's he's having quite a year. i did want to ask you about best the best picture category at this point. who do you think should win and who do you think will win? because sometimes those don't always line up. >> well, here's the thing. unlike last year, when we pretty much all knew that oppenheimer was going to take it, this race is really wide open. as you mentioned in the introduction, emilia pÉrez has 13. it's the best picture. wicked has ten. it's the best picture. the brutalist, it has ten. it's a best picture. there's a number of films here that are in the running. i think that at this point, as you go into the final stage of voting and of course now we're at the sundance film festival, which is reinvigorating movies in its own way. i think things are still a little bit up in the air. so i wouldn't put your money down on a sure thin

everybody should go see the apprentice to see the effect that roy cohn.f you want to know why donald trump behaves the way he did, it's because his mentor taught him all these terrible behaviors. it's a very good film. and i'm really worried about those types of art being made now, because they need a lot of money to make them. >> so i'll give you the last word because i butchered your beautiful last name. what do you think? last time we talked the oscars, you said it should turn into a fundraiser for the fire victims in and around l.a. they're going to keep calm and carry on. in this instance, should they? >> i don't think they should. i've always said that they shouldn't. but it is hollywood. it's show business and the show must go on. what i do hope with some of these nominations and the fact that there will be no musical acts, which again bothers me, we won't get to see a36 mafia do. it's hard out here for a pimp. i was hoping to see some of these musical acts. maybe they'll take that time and they'll raise money. they'll draw attention to the people

said that they would say no but they were working with a president that expected them to be his roy cohnis personal attorney. do you really think that you can avoid the disgrace that they encountered or the repercussions from the white house if you say no to the president? and so my question to you is can you say no to the president of the united states when he asks you to do something unethical or illegal? ms. bondi: senator first i need , to clarify something that you said that i have to sit up here and say these things. no, i don't. i sit up here and speak the truth. i'm not going to sit up here and say anything that i need to say to get confirmed by this body. i don't have to say anything. i will answer the questions to the best of my ability and and honestly -- sen. blumenthal: let me ask you an individual who , says that he is going to quote, "come after" and quote, "people," he alleges quote, "help joe biden rig the presidential elections," that he has a list of people who are part of this deep state who should be prosecuted, that he's going to close down the fbi building on his f

it's roy cohn and charles lindbergh had the baby and made donald trump. so we have to go.erica, when this stuff has cropped up. >> i will hold my thought about what that. >> baby visuals for you. >> yeah, those bad visuals for you. >> you totally. i got lost in the visuals. i conjured up an image of each. and then i was thinking about the baby, and i was. i'm just lost in it. but tim miller can save me here. now, listen, i agree with with this idea that the democrats are also misreading trump's win as some sort of mandate. and i think part of it is, is stunning that he ran on some of these things and won. but enough already. i mean, there are teachers and principals all over the country, i would imagine, especially in red states, trying to figure out how to protect 456789 year old kids. you know, they don't they don't have time to stare at their gazels there is someone with allegations of alcohol abuse and rape against him barreling toward being in the nuclear chain of command, you know, wake up. and i and i wonder if we're looking in the wrong places. i wonder, tim, if yo

said that they would say no, but they were working with a president that expected them to be his roy cohn, his personal attorney. do you really think that you can avoid the disgrace that they encountered? or the repercussions from the white house if you say no to the president? and so my question to you is, can you say no to the president of united states when he asks you to do something unethical or illegal senator, first i need to clarify something that you said, that i have to sit up here and say these things. >> no, i don't i sit up here and speak the truth. i'm not going to sit up here and say anything that i need to say to get confirmed by this body. i don't have to say anything. i will answer the questions to the best of my ability. and honestly ask you a an individual who says that he is going to quote, come after and quote people he alleges, quote, helped joe biden rig the presidential elections, that he has a list of people who are part of this deep state, who should be prosecuted, uh, that he's going to close down the fbi building on his first day in office. >> is that a person