and we're going to fight to keep it with me to discuss these matters, vincent lane, chairman of the chicago housing authority, major roberson of the tulsa, oklahoma police department, and hattie dudley of the tenants task force at boston's alice taylor apartments. ms. dudley you have been part of a movement that has transformed the public housing project right down the street, as we saw in film, there is in the same neighborhood, another housing project that doesn't look anything like alice taylor homes apart from the physical changes. what would you say is the key factor that has been responsible for the transformation of conditions in your project. basically the reorientation of our families to family living and having them come together to work on the issues that we're confronted. how do you get people to come together? well, once people see that we've made a physical change, people feel that it's need there. it is their responsibility to come together and that they get what's needed what do they do for you? basically come like talk in meetings, say what's going on, you know, give report