but bakari, finish your thought. >> no. and i was just going to say that these cuts are doing more damage to the economy in the long run. and i think that you have to do some assessment if if you and i actually went to a bar in d.c. right now, i wish charlie palmer's was still open. shout out to the bartender. yes, please. >> they were great. >> but if we were able to go to the bar, we could probably figure this out and go through and do cuts that were direct and purposeful and intentional. what i'm saying is that by not assessing the needs of the american people, what doge is doing is as backwards. i mean, that's the only way that i can think about saying it, because you're actually cutting things that people need in their daily lives, and it's harming people like american farmers. that's my point. >> on television, you're supposed to say bass ackward. just so you know, terry, let's talk about this exact point about the when we're talking about in the realm of the budget, because mike johnson gets a big it was a big win ho

bakari, just because the. >> i'm sorry. scott. scott. look again, the the the secretary of state said yeah, those programs should continue. the question is a which programs and do they know that and why isn't the money going out. he he's in. >> charge now. every interview he does. >> he's in charge now. he should be making sure it happens. but to actually have a. >> plan on how to execute. >> one aspect of this is that even republicans, senator rand paul has basically said this actually needs to come back to congress. he said doge is really doing good stuff, but ultimately that money is going to be sent back to us as a rescission package. i don't think they can just not spend doge can't stop spending. they can stop stuff from happening. but if the money is sitting there, there is a question is it impounded or is it going to get sent back in a rescission package? basically what he is saying is what we were talking about yesterday on the show. they can't just not spend the money because congress has authorized it. and at some point, congre

in a moment, bakari sellers and scott jenkins are going to debate all of this. buckle up, my friends. but first, insight from simon schuster. the reporter behind that must read time cover story. musk's war on washington. simon, glad to have you here. you know, musk is taking quite the bulldozer to the federal government as we now see it. trump says he's telling him to go here, go there, and he does. it. is there anything, though, realistically constraining his power that you have seen? >> well, i think it's not quite right to call it a bulldozer. it's much smarter and in many ways more subtle than that, and in some ways more pernicious. i mean, what we found when we were reporting on this story is doge elon musk's team. they're sending their operatives into various branches of the bureaucracy to really get into those systems, especially their computer systems. they understand that that is the circulatory system of the government. and once they get in there, get access to the data, get access to those computer systems. those are the systems they're using to make

bakari, are you fired up after. >> i'm fired up and ready to go? can't you see it in my face? i for me, i'm disappointed in the lack of plan. i'm disappointed in the in the flat footedness. i don't, but, you know, josh and i just had this kind of robust conversation about about how we view this issue about israel and gaza and relitigating november. but i believe going forward, democrats have to present at least a unified front with all wings of the party, all factions of the party, and actually have some energy that focuses on these bread and butter issues. i've told i've said it till i'm blue in the face that elon musk having access to your social security number is an issue. the freeze on aid is an issue. that issue cuts across usaid, usaid, do you know that they purchased billions of dollars of goods from american farmers? i don't want to hear chuck schumer saying, and we won't lose and we won't rest. i rather i rather have a small business owner up there talking about the impact on them. i'd rather have somebody who is displaced, who's a black woman who's worked hard to ha

bakari, are you fired up after tonight? >> i'm fired up and ready to go. you see it in my face? i for me, i'm disappointed in the lack of plan. i'm disappointed in the in the flat footedness. i don't, but, you know, josh and i just had this kind of robust conversation about about how we view this issue about israel and gaza and relitigating november. but i believe going forward, democrats have to present at least a unified front with all wings of the party, all factions of the party, and actually have some energy that focuses on these bread and butter issues. i've told i've said it till i'm blue in the face that elon musk, having access to your social security number is an issue. the freeze on aid is an issue. that issue cuts across usaid. usaid. do you know that they purchased billions of dollars of goods from american farmers? i don't want to hear chuck schumer saying, and we won't lose and we won't rest. >> i rather. >> i rather have a small business owner up there talking about the impact on them. i'd rather have somebody who is displaced, who's a blac

joining me now, cnn political commentator scott jennings and bakari sellers. all right, so let's go to this case. it was in federal court. judge tanya chutkan declined to block musk and his team from gaining access to data at seven government agencies after democratic led states sued to stop doge. this is the same judge that presided over the january 6th election subversion case against donald trump. when trump famously described her as the most evil person. scott, that's still the case for donald trump after this decision. >> well, first of. >> all. >> it's a good decision. it's amazing to me that donald trump has to go to court to fight off attempts to keep the duly elected president and his appointees from having access to the federal government. i mean, this is, after all, the people that we elected to run the country, and they have to go into court and fight to run the country. i mean, it sounds crazy. so i think it was a the only decision she could make because it's patently ridiculous. when democrat attorneys general go to partisan judges or any judges

let me just let me get my bakari. >> all right, here we go. >> bakari. >> oh my god. oh, god.o, no. >> thank god, you can barely see that on. >> camera. >> wow. wow. >> here he was in brazil earlier this week. the first sitting president to visit the amazon, seeming to. wander into the jungle. >> and those beautiful arms came and they hugged it like you would hug your little beautiful baby. >> okay. >> joining us now to discuss is astrophysicist neil degrasse tyson. he is the author. >> if i could track santa. >> down. >> to the. >> city. >> how can they not find these drones? >> and. we've had a lot of really wonderful times here on the show, and hopefully he will button his shirt if he comes on at 4 p.m. bakari, looking at you, i do want to take a second though. there are so many people. my favorite thing about television is that it is a team sport you cannot do it with. there are literally dozens of people who work on this dc, atlanta, new york across the country. i want to take a moment to thank all of them. our tech crews, our booking folks, the makeup artists that help e

live at the table scott jennings, bakari sellers, congresswoman nicole malliotakis and chuck rocha. americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other, but here they do. good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about. elon musk and his appetite for destruction tonight, a question for the new president of the united states. is the tech billionaire really running your government? >> he's got access only to letting people go that he thinks are no good. if we agree with him. and it's only if we agree with them. he's a very talented guy from the standpoint of management and costs. elon can't do and won't do anything without our approval, and we'll give him the approval. we're appropriate. we're not appropriate. we won't. >> trump says that he's keeping tabs on musk as he works feverishly to kill off entire agencies, including the world's largest foreign aid agency, to outright ignore congress and to run roughshod over the law to deny lutheran organizations any government money. money that gets used in places like central ohio

and i and bakari, you're right. donald trump said, donald trump said that you may feel some pain, but let me tell you why he said it, because fentanyl is a scourge on this country. unquestionably. illegal immigration and the violence that's come with it is a scourge on this country. and we have a moral obligation. >> but it is a moral. >> obligation. >> a moral obligation. >> let us be also honest. when we talk about fentanyl, it is not coming predominantly from canada. he was talking about making canada a 51st state. and and if he was talking about fentanyl, that would be completely disingenuous because that's not where the fentanyl is coming from. but on the tariffs, to your point, tariffs are inflationary. they are taxes. and if donald trump were to talk to his his friend william mckinley, he would find out it is a bad political strategy to put tariffs on the american people. they lost dozens and dozens of republican seats in the midterms after those tariffs went into place. richard quest, catherine rampell, than

this is especially rich coming from bakari sellers.ste so much time and money trying to unseat michigan democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib from office? and take a look at this old post from sellers proudly posing for a photo at the right wing aipac conference with the people who would go on to become two of donald trump's biggest financial backers, sheldon and miriam adelson. the caption reads reminder. just an example of how israel can bring parties together. but it wasn't just sellers. ana navarro, co-host of the view and another cnn commentator, used trump's deadly proposal not to express empathy or solidarity with the palestinians, but to scold student protesters, saying i'm looking forward to all the protests on college campuses tomorrow against trump. you know, like there was against harris. now this is, again, especially rich coming from navarro. despite spending most of her career as a republican political strategist, she didn't just get to speak at the democratic national convention. she hosted the second night, the very s

. >> bakari sellers, the press secretary for the white house karoline leavitt, said this about federal judge's orders blocking trump's executive orders. take a listen. >> this is part of a larger, concerted effort by democrat activists, and nothing more than the continuation of the weaponization of justice against president trump. >> weaponization. what do you think of that i just think that's patently absurd, jake. >> and i think that she knows that as well. i think that she's confusing her, her language. it's not the weaponization of anything. it's, in fact, what we call the rule of law. it's basic civics, basic government. and look, i find that i find republicans having a whole lot of hypocrisy when it comes to this, because when joe biden was president, i think one of the best examples you can, you can go to are when he tried to cancel or eliminate student loan debt, and you had republican attorney generals from all across the country who were shopping, who were shopping cases, who found found favorable jurisdictions to allow their cases to meander up to the supreme court and hopef

bakari, looking at you, i do want to take a second though. there are so many people. my favorite thing about television is that it is a team sport you cannot do it with. there are literally dozens of people who work on this dc, atlanta, new york across the country. i want to take a moment to thank all of them. our tech crews, our booking folks, the makeup artists that help everybody look their best every day. it really does take so much, and i'm so grateful. they, of course, are going to be continuing to work on what you will see here with my colleague audie cornish, who will be here at 6 a.m. doing cnn this morning. and i do really hope that you will join me at 4 p.m. eastern time every day for the arena. thanks to all of you for joining us. you are my panel. thank you all guys for being here on my last show. it's been wonderful to have you be part of all of it. thank you. i hope you i'll see you at four as well. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news starts right now. >> totally astonished. the kremlin. this morning. totally surprised about just how quickly pre

. >> what, bakari. >> i hope democrats start listening to their base more. >> and decide. >> that theyid. nothing wrong last time because it's the liberal, progressive base that got democrats beaten this election. >> it's real. >> easy. >> to say no after you lose. >> the democrats have got to figure out. >> how to. >> say yes. >> they got to. >> figure out which. >> things donald. >> trump is doing. >> that are popular. >> that they can support. that's how you climb back out of the hole of being in the minority in both branches of both chambers of congress and the white house. >> you have to figure out where. >> did we go wrong? and let's stop doing that right now. democrats have not. >> yet. >> gotten to that phase of this 12 step process. >> so jamie harrison, the outgoing democratic national committee chair, suggested in an interview with the associated press that democrats should have stuck with biden. he said, quote, when he hits a roadblock, when he hits a bump in the road, do we stick with him or do we jettison him? my nature is i'm on the team with you. you're my quarterback.