there was really no one left to try. >> but there was a time when ponzi was dedicated to putting brian gibbsbehind bars and keeping him there for good. >> i think brian saw, you know, murder is just a necessary tool. there was incredible competition back then between rival street gangs. >> how bad was he? real bad. >> i pled. >> guilty to five murders and two. >> attempt murders. >> how many people did i really kill? six. >> thanks to that plea deal, brian served less than nine years behind bars. but what does he say to the families of his victims? >> that. i'm truly sorry. it's like only i can do is extend my deepest condolences. >> so, is brian truly redeemed himself by helping youth and telling his story? ask his one time arch enemy, joe ponzi. >> one of the things that i saw about brian in this different position as federal cooperator was a willingness to be completely open and honest. he came totally clean. i don't think i've ever caught him in a lie. >> the two agreed to come together again on the streets of brooklyn, an event joe ponzi didn't think possible. he imagined brian gibbs wo

trump administration, i mean, they are impacting real americans like national park service ranger brian gibbslar. it's going somewhat viral online. when he shared that he lost his dream job writing, quote, i'm a father, a loving husband, and dedicated civil servant. i am your family vacation planner. i am the toilet scrubber and soap dispenser. i'm the open trail hiked by people from all walks of life. i am the highlight of your child's school day. i am the band-aid for a skinned knee. i mean, these are not just faceless jobs that we're losing. mr. gibbs shows us how these government workers are part of our lives in countless ways. so what does it do to have stories like this out there, showing a real impact of these mass layoffs? >> yeah, i think it's. >> right. >> alex, to. >> focus on the human story. >> because it's easy to think of federal bureaucrats. >> sitting in. >> washington, d.c, but many. >> of these are in your own community as a viewer here today. >> and they. >> are part. >> of the local. >> economy, particularly in national park communities, where that is a significant econom