. >> and that was gb news national reporter charlie peters reporting there on that incident at all saintsl saints catholic school in sheffield earlier on today. now, today's question is simple how many more teenagers are going to be stabbed to death by other teenagers before we realise we have a serious, serious problem with knife crime in the united kingdom? and moreover, is it time to declare a national knife crime emergency and show no mercy on the cancer of knife crime? well, joining me now to discuss this is my panel, the former reform spokesman gordon taylor, and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. i'm also joined in the studio by sir john nelson. i'm also joined in the studio by sirjohn redwood. gentlemen, welcome. how many more times, nigel nelson, are we going to have this conversation? these stories are tragic, yet they're becoming increasingly and depressingly familiar. teenagers, children killing children with knives. lessons will be learned. thoughts and prayers. nothing changes. when are we going to clamp down on the cancer of knife crime? >> well, i mean, i m