joining me now is doug jones, former democratic senator and former us attorney from alabama, and jason johnson, professor of journalism and politics at morgan state university and host of the podcast award with jason johnson. i'll come to you in a moment, but i want to come to you first, jason, because the reality is, you know, and you and i have chatted about this, there is a it's easy to demonize the government because most people don't know what government agencies do. and they have a vague sense that when we pay our taxes, the government is wasting the money. so if you say, well, all this money went to foreign aid, people say, okay, good, cut that, because they really don't know what it is, but they seem to be at this sort of dodge, whatever it is, taking advantage of that by saying, we found all this waste, fraud and abuse. and they have no, they're not proving it. they're just putting out a list of things they claim they're cutting. >> well, yeah. >> they have no. >> proof because they. >> never knew. >> any of this stuff. right. i mean, the thing is, you have elon musk who is ru