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elie mystal. there's a posting on x i'm sure you're aware of by vice president vance who said this, if a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal. if a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. judges aren't allowed to control the executives' legitimate power. what's your response to that? guest: i was harvard and j.d. vance went to yale and i'm feeling really good about my choices if that's the best j.d. vance can do right now. if j.d. vance was right, the dobbs decision canceling the right to abortion was illegitimate and illegal on its face and joe biden should have personally performed abortions for the last four years if j.d. vance was right. of course j.d. vance is not right. j.d. vance sounds like an idiot when he says that because the idea that judges -- that the third branch of government doesn't have a legitimate check on the power of the other two branches, the legislativ

elie mystal. there's a posting on x i'm sure you're aware of by vice president vance who said this, if a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal. if a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. judges aren't allowed to control the executives' legitimate power. what's your response to that? guest: i was harvard and j.d. vance went to yale and i'm feeling really good about my choices if that's the best j.d. vance can do right now. if j.d. vance was right, the dobbs decision canceling the right to abortion was illegitimate and illegal on its face and joe biden should have personally performed abortions for the last four years if j.d. vance was right. of course j.d. vance is not right. j.d. vance sounds like an idiot when he says that because the idea that judges -- that the third branch of government doesn't have a legitimate check on the power of the other two branches, the legislativ

host: elie mystal is our guest, a justice correspondent columnist with the nation. if you'd like to join the conversation, you can. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. it's president trump has said that he will abide by court orders that block parts of his agenda. do you see that as likely, and what happens if that doesn't happen? guest: he's already lying, he's not abiding by court orders against him right now. the federal funding freeze, the put on is being blocked. the republic did a report on this last week. if you go to organizations that are expecting federal checks, they will tell you in many cases, the money hasn't been turned back on. that is a clear example of trump lying to everybody's face. and all of us are pretending like it's normal. it's not normal. he said he will abide by court orders. this is a court order against him. he is not abiding by it. a, b, c. so do i think he will abide by future court orders? well, hell, i don't know. he's not abiding by this one. maybe he'll abide by some other one he f

elie mystal.here's a posting on x i'm sure you're aware of by vice president vance who said this, if a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal. if a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. judges aren't allowed to control the executives' legitimate power. what's your response to that? guest: i was harvard and j.d. vance went to yale and i'm feeling really good about my choices if that's the best j.d. vance can do right now. if j.d. vance was right, the dobbs decision canceling the right to abortion was illegitimate and illegal on its face and joe biden should have personally performed abortions for the last four years if j.d. vance was right. of course j.d. vance is not right. j.d. vance sounds like an idiot when he says that because the idea that judges -- that the third branch of government doesn't have a legitimate check on the power of the other two branches, the legislative

we are joined now by elie mystal , a justice correspondent and columnist for "the nation."uest: thank you so much for having me. host: i want to start with this associated press article with the headline "trump administration once a supreme court to let the firing of whistleblower agency had proceed." could you get us up to court on -- up to speed on what that case is about and what the question is? guest: trump likes to fire people and he think because he is president he can fire anybody wants for any reason whether they were not just because he feels like it and remembers it from his tv days, right. there are laws regarding how you can fire people when they work for the federal government. who you can fire, what the proper process is and all that sort of thing. he wants to ignore those laws, a north people who have the positions that are authorized by congress, and fire people

and elie mystal had this to say in the nation. >> the courts. >> will not save us.ecting us from the. >> trump musk takeover. >> and any. >> person who tells you otherwise, especially if that. >> person is an elected democrat in congress, is selling you an excuse for inaction and complacency. trump and musk are barbarians. >> at the gate. >> calling in the lawyers to tell. >> them. their trespassing isn't going. >> to halt their advance. >> i could not agree more. i just think fundamentally this requires something that i think each of us, as individuals and institutions, are going to have to reach deep down inside and pull out at the end of the day, the you know, i love this, this visual of, you know, the barbarians at the gate, but this is worse than barbarians. >> you would you would really like. >> the beginning of this piece where elie. says that democrats. >> are like the. varsity chess team being told. >> it's their. >> time to start the football game. >> right? >> like. >> oh. >> that's. oh, lord. accurate. >> so accurate. >> what? but, michael. >> yes. >> wh