frances willard, because i always get them mixed up. frances willard, who was a sufferagette, a socialist, said if we can put it into the curriculum of third graders, maybe we start to have a chance. so in the 1970's, third grade crick crumb, anti-alcohol was put into classrooms. this was before john dewey, horace mann, loose public school associations, but a third grade curriculum is put in. by 1919, what do you have in america? prohibition of the sale and consumption of alcohol. and the progressives said, wait, if you can do that with third grade curriculum, what else can you do with third grade curriculum? and they discovered a word, they knew it, so did our founders. i learned it from david, and we talked about it in the book, which is how you educate and train up the youngest. if you can shape the youngest of minds to have a different understanding of the value of a good life, you change the entire way a society and the civilization looks at what they value. >> as we said, the pledge, one nation, under god, indivisible, would you s

frances willard. she is a suffragette, a socialist. said if we can put the curriculum of third-graders, we start to have a chance. in the 1870's, third grade curriculum antialcohol is put into curriculum. these are loose public school associations. third grade curriculum put in. by 1919, what do you have in america? prohibition of the sale and consumption of alcohol. the progressives said if you can do that with third grade curriculum, what else can you do with third grade curriculum? they discovered a word called paideia. >> asby said the pledge one nation under god indivisible, would you go so far to say that the socialists and the ones that greeted the pledge when they were after what you described to them under god and god is essentially the state. >> yes but originally the original pledge written by francis bellamy did not include under god. that was included by eisenhower when we were fighting the godless communists in the 50's. to oversimplify, basically what the progressives did and it was always under the guise of training for