it's is george shultz right? and he says, i'd like you to come. to omb to be my deputy. mm. and then what happens next? you end up working for shultz. he's he's for weinberger. shultz gets pulled into treasury, right? and then he ends up working for wal-mart. yeah. who? he had met at ohio, actually, because, you know, weinberger was with reagan. he got into a little spat with then-governor reagan right at. but he developed gloss over them. yeah. where you get that? yeah. i mean, the context here governor reagan is fighting a particular program when he wants kill a program california, which your father said, no, i don't want to kill this program. yeah yeah. so my father finds a diplomat way to make both things happen, which i actually think is another a line that that flows throughout this book. so there's a federal program that governor reagan wants to kill. and my dad working in ohio doesn't to kill it. so he says well, why don't we appoint a three judge panel in california to, republicans and a democrat to see this program is actually as bad. you say it was reagan was goin

we have george shultz. he leaves, working for weinberger as a deputy.his is kind of just remarkable because here, you have a career foreign service officer finding himself in this number two cabinet level position in the executive office of the president. and then he continues, right? guest: yes, and then he goes to the pentagon. host: health and human services. guest: yes, hhs. host: and then he returned to the foreign service because henry kissinger, because of course, how do we talk about this period of time and not mention henry kissinger. he surfaces. personally asks president ford to have -- well, i guess, it is get me carlucci to portugal. tell us about what was going on in portugal at the time and why henry kissinger thought your father was a person who could address what he needed in portugal. guest: during this period of time, portugal was transitioning . the 50 years prior, portugal was under an autocracy and kissinger was extremely worried that -- and convince that portugal was going to fall under communist rule so he wanted to send carlucci

and i can't speak for george shultz, with whom it was a total joy sharing these responsibilities. but let me say two things now. first, thanks for sending us on an unforgettable mission. second, we succeed in our quest for peace. now back to africa. my plane had interrupted pick me up there and going to moscow. warm regards, george. we move for the first time. was the first american to make a meeting with after he became. the number one man there. and this was for the president. march 13th, 85. i've about or 8 hours to think about our one hour. and today i'm meeting with gorbachev. gorbachev will package the soviet line for western much more effectively than i repeat any his predecessors. he has to disarming smile, warm eyes and way of making an unpleasant point and then bouncing back to establish real communications with interlocutors. and i skipped a little. i didn't get the feeling he had to prove how he is as different with andropov and chernenko and even brezhnev he same turning to gromyko chatting from time to time. but not being worried worried that gromyko might differ, af

the case in the book that actually he's nsc 60 is extremely important, but so is his work for george shultz during the second reagan administration or coming up with the framework of what becomes this start? one strategic arms control over arms reduction treaty. and in that i that he comes up with a formula tries to integrate ronald reagan's plans for the strategic defense initiative with a treaty that would kind of reduce or not eliminate soviet ss 18 missiles that had been pumping for so many years. and he believed that point. and to the end of 1988 as he's trying to negotiate treaty. he he still believed the united states had not re the strength that he needed. and he also did not believe that gorbachev would do the things that he did that he then did, which was to let this, in your view, eastern europe go. so you. i would say that one lesson to draw especially is you will on current and future policies is that rarely there be a moment of satisfaction that. you can walk away saying, aha, i did it like i've achieved it. you have to kind acclimate yourself to the broader stream of of a sen