jim krieger, he's a former air traffic controller. he worked at one of the busiest airports in the country, chicago's o'hare airport, for 33 years. jim, what stands out to you from that conversation? >> uh. >> not a whole lot, actually, it sounded pretty. >> routine as far as i'm concerned. >> um, the. >> aircraft was. >> cleared to land. >> the wind. >> was given to them. >> especially the gust factors. >> um. >> the only. question i would have, i. >> guess, when this isn't putting. >> blame on anybody. >> but. >> um, what was the braking. >> action on the runway? >> you know, the runway. >> looked like it had a lot of snow on it. >> and, uh. >> it's helpful to pilots, let them know what the what the braking action is doing, in. >> other words. >> what they can expect if they hit the brakes, when they when they touch. >> down on the runway. >> um, it's just helpful information to them. >> what would that have sounded like? >> well, it. >> would be in terms of, uh, they've changed it over the years, but it would be in terms of, general

now jim krieger, who's a former air traffic controller, he worked at one of the busiest airports in they, chicago's o'hare airport, for 33 years. jim, what stands out to you from that conversation? >> uh, not a. >> whole lot, actually. >> it sounded pretty routine. >> as far as i'm concerned. um, the aircraft was cleared to land. the wind was given to them, especially the gust factors. um, the only question i would have, i guess. and this isn't putting blame on anybody, but, um, what was the braking action on the runway? you know, the runway looked like it had a lot of snow on it, and it's helpful to pilots. let them know what the what the braking action is doing, in other words, what they can expect if they hit the brakes, when they when they touch down on a runway. um, that's just helpful information to them. >> what would that have sounded like? >> well, it would be in terms of, uh, they've changed it over the years, but it would be in terms of, generally speaking, uh, good braking action or fair braking action or, uh, the worst case poor or nil nil means no, no braking action at all