discuss this, i'm pleased to welcome the former labour adviser, matthew lazan former labour adviser, matthew lazarmatthew, thank you very much for your company in this scenario. in this situation, what would your advice be to sir keir starmer? because right now a lot of our viewers are quite upset by the idea that pensioners should just go ahead and die. >> oh. >> oh. >> i assume matthew's frozen. unless unless this is him speaking through. >> i didn't think it was that. >> i didn't think it was that. >> hard a question. he didn't. >> hard a question. he didn't. >> get his winter fuel payment. >> get his winter fuel payment. >> all right. we'll come back to matthew laza once we've got that connection issue sorted out. i thought he was just doing a sort of dismayed look at. >> yeah, this. >> yeah, this. >> has hit. >> has hit. >> him hard. nothing to say. >> him hard. nothing to say. >> well, i mean, i wonder what that advice would have been, nicky. we might never find out. i assume to say he's done the right thing. >> i think he has done. and also thinking about the context of anti—semitism in the