mr. mccotter and i would also introduce into the record note by amy from the heritage foundation and alson op-ed in -- that was written by mr. cooper and paterson along the subject as well. without objection, i will insert that into the record. that concludes today's hearing, we thank the witnesses appearing before committee today. members will have 5 business days. without objection, the hearing is adjourned. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> c-span's washington journal our live forum involving you to discuss the latest issues in government, politics and public policy, from washington and across the country, coming up wednesday morning, editor-in-chief of the publication breaking defense erin meta about president trump firing pentagon leaders and nomination of lieutenant general and former cia associate director dan kane and potential budget cuts to defense. democratic congresswoman, member of the budget and appropriations committees, role of democrats in current congress and will continue the conversation with florida republican congressman, member of appropriations