we have a nicole hollander in the directory. we don't know if it's steve davis and nicole hollander, but we're pretty sure they do. and they have gsa email addresses. and i feel like there's been a lot of that where career officials, senior career officials are finding out through second or third hand. they don't really associate much with the musk team, as they're kind of operating right now. the biggest question i have is i would constantly think to myself, yeah, but this is the government. like private sector is one thing. a private company is one thing. this is the government. there's a way that things work is this. is that not true? here? >> i mean, there are many systems and processes and protocols in terms of how things are supposed to work. but i think one of the things that musk and the doge team have been really explicit about demonstrating through how they're going about this, is that they don't think those systems should apply to them. and i think, you know, musk and his allies have really made a big deal about sort

of elon musk's for two decades closest advisers, was at gsa, and so was steve davis's wife, nicole hollander, who was also a twitter official. they have now really taken control of everything. what people, i think, are having a tough time getting their heads around is this is somebody who donated $280 million to a campaign. this is somebody with tens of millions of dollars in government contracts. this is somebody with relationships and direct lines to foreign adversaries. now inside the systems. and it's very, very hard to figure out. trace in the opacity is problematic. >> and even the president is finding out some of this in real time after the fact. that's what i think is so fascinating about this. >> report to you in the oval yesterday. >> he did. he said, oh, he knows. and he would not be allowed to overstep. the reality here is the white house is playing catch up to this. they have so many other things going on. elon musk is well ahead of them. so president trump is not driving this train at all. he's watching what elon musk and his contemporaries and employees are doing. >> i mean, r

andre holland, dewanda wise, nicole baharie. just a great cast, cassandra freeman.t it is. but i was happy, too. like, i can't even make it about race. it's -- sundance, like, utah, it's like, about 6,000 feet. it's something about once you get a mile above the earth, you just don't care about nothing else. >> seth: really? [ light laughter ] >> like we were there when trump was signing all the crazy stuff, when the executive orders was coming down. "did you hear the gulf of america?" i'm like, "that's crazy." skiing. [ laughter and applause ] get down to the bottom of the slope. "hey, did you hear man? he signed away --" "wow. that's crazy, too." [ light laughter ] but i get it. that's where people go to escape the truth, is the mountains. >> seth: yeah. and now that you are back, sadly, closer to sea level, tariffs. do you have a take on the tariffs? >> i just -- we are going to learn how much everything costs now. if you didn't know how much stuff cost before, your ass about to learn now. [ light laughter ] we just got to make everything. that's why like all them