i'm not arguing it's pepfar.rguing that you could administer that out of the state department, and we can make sure that all those programs align with our foreign policy goals. that's that's that's that's the objective here. >> but i think the i think the concern, by the way, is when senior senators can't get basic answers on is pepfar still funded? what what is getting out to where we've made commitments and folding it to state, i don't think is a major issue that people have. it's more what is actually where funding where is funding being stopped? where are we not living up to our commitment? >> if the whole thing is, let's hold everything for 90 days, let's reorganize and who knows how long 90 days morphs into with something like pepfar, the drugs don't. the virus doesn't work that way. >> there's a smart way and a dumb way to do anything. i'm all i'm all for dealing with waste, fraud, and abuse. but when you just jerk the rug out from under, literally millions of people around the world who are sick and who a

since that time. >> pepfar. right at pepfar is a great program, but there's no reason it shouldn't be run directly out of the state department. >> but if the medicaid. let me just do you know anything about hiv medication? because if you stop hiv medication, the virus flares back and it mutates. so if you have millions of people who are dependent on. >> hiv medication against pepfar. >> well, you seem to be because you're avoiding. asking, answering. any questions about it. well, if it's shut down, do you think. >> that's what. no, of course it's not wise. i'm not arguing it's pepfar. i'm arguing that you can administer that out of the state department, and we can make sure that all those programs align with our foreign policy goals. that's that's that's that's the objective here. >> but i think the i think the concern, by the way, is when senior senators can't get basic answers on is pepfar still funded? what what is getting out to where we've made commitments and folding it to state, i don't think is a major i

one of the programs cassidy is talking about is pepfar. that is a republican program that is a republican. >> found one. >> good program, no. >> and famine stricken sudan. i mean, we're talking. >> about the real point here, congresswoman, you are elected to legislate if you want to change where the money goes at pepfar, you have the power to do that. why not do that in a transparent way so that the american people can see? >> and that is what we are doing right now. that is exactly what we're doing. we're trying to put a pause on this funding going out the door so we can see exactly what it's being used for, because our intention when we appropriated this money is not being spent that way. and what i will say is these, you have these bureaucrats sitting at these agencies, they come before congress, we have hearings. we try to get to the bottom of where this money is going, $50 million for condoms in gaza, for example. >> congresswoman. >> no. >> but these. >> are. >> real. >> things no, no, no, no, no. can i say something? you are rolling

and that's pepfar, which i know president george w. bush took incredibly great takes, incredibly great pride in. it's a program that pays for hiv life saving medication across the world for millions of people. it saved millions of lives, potentially. um, can you talk a little bit about what that program has stood for for republicans in the past and, and what the overall impact of all of this is? >> yeah, i mean, i remember working very closely with people like bono to, to make this happen and very conservative senators, uh, that, that recognized the human tragedy in places like africa where millions of lives are being lost. and there's there's no question, i think, uh, more broadly in the historical sense that george w bush pepfar policy will be his most lasting, impactful legacy. it saved tens and 20 or 20 millions of lives, uh, in africa and continues to do so. and it's really one of the most important health public policy initiatives in the world ever. uh, and it's a great example of what i would call compassionate conservatism. and

cassidy said pepfar is the epitome of soft power. it's a republican initiative.fe, pro america, the most popular u.s. program in africa, because obviously it's credited with saving 20 million lives. he said that there are drugs that are still being withheld at clinics in africa. this must be reversed immediately. >> yeah. those 20 million lives that are saved, these are 20 million people who are who cannot go without their medication because it's keeping them alive. 6.5 million of those people are children. so, you know, they're going without services right now as we speak, simultaneously. you know, this work overseas outbreaks going on around the world. we have three serious outbreaks going on and all activities are frozen. we're not even watching bird flu where we had monitoring in 49 countries, and we already have had one death from bird flu on our american soil. >> there's been a lot of criticism over the agency. that's why musk and allies and trump say that they are doing this and that they're they're just essentially dismantling it. part of it will still go

you look at this, use pepfar as an example, talking about drugs going to individuals.re was a release of that hold that was put -- that was authorized, but it shouldn't be the case that the american people fund hiv and aids drugs for 20 million people across africa, where many of these countries are working very directly with our adversaries like china. that is an example of them taking us for granted. we need to be asking the question, should they be weaning off of this? should we be paying for these very expensive hiv and aids drugs? should the american worker be footing the bill for that? those are questions. >> real questions. in the meantime people need the drugs while you ask the questions. that's where the disagreement is with the aid organizations. let me ask you about air traffic controllers -- >> not with all the leaders of all the countries. the leader of kenya say this is an example where we need to step up for ourselves and show how we can take care of ourselves and that was the president there. >> i want to ask you, as i was saying, about another committe

and obama administrations, for instance, and the bush administrations wanted, and george w bush on pepfar, which is part of, you know, broadly, it's a separate program. but broadly, foreign aid is a george w bush republican program that is also was also one of the things halted temporarily. >> this used to not. >> be very controversial. >> there were controversies on the. >> margins. >> as peter mentioned. >> there's some waste. there's some spending on programs. >> that don't work. >> but but. >> that's. >> that's that's the normal. >> course of events in government. >> alas. >> but but these are. >> programs that. >> people like ronald reagan and george h.w. bush. >> put aside. >> george w. >> bush not only. >> supported for. >> humanitarian reasons. >> right. >> shining city on the hill. >> we have a lot of money. >> we have a. >> lot of resources. >> we have a lot. >> of food we. >> can distribute. >> we have. >> a lot of medicine. >> this was also national security. you know, these. >> are these. >> are ways of. >> keeping of letting populations. across the developing world and. >> a

on, you know, you know, people in sudan who have been counting on our aid for food or medicine and pepfar george w. >> bush, a george bush republican program. yeah. >> program, one of the most one of the proudest accomplishments of the last republican president that's been cut off, that saved arguably 25 million lives around the world. so these are real impacts on a lot of people. >> speaking of the faa, i want to ask you about that terrible plane crash in washington, d.c. it was one of the first major crises, one of the first major tests of this new administration. in the second term. and in your new article, you said the president went on the offense after the collision. let's listen to some of what he said. >> we do not know what led to this crash, but we have some very strong opinions and ideas. i do want to point out that various articles that appeared prior to my entering office, and here's one. the faa's diversity push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities. >> how do you interpret that response? and overall, the administration's respo

nor is george bush's pepfar affected.program that saves so many millions of lives in africa. it's money. all of it comes from congress. trump and musk firmly believe the president has the power to stop pretty much anything, even if congress has earmarked those projects. but that's got to be challenged in court, because the idea that congress makes laws, presidents carry them out is part of the constitutional checks and balances. trump and other presidents before him keep pushing for more power for the executive. another thing to watch secretary of state rubio is in panama. he's accused that country of violating its treaty with the u.s. and says washington will take the necessary measures if panama doesn't immediately end. what donald trump sees as china's influence and control over the canal. and vice president vance talking about danish control of greenland. reminder denmark is a nato ally. it's a founding member. in fact, if that means that we need to take more territorial interest in greenland, that is what president t

you know, the presidential pepfar program, which has gone through several administrations, republicanemocrat, and has broad bipartisan support, is now, you know, there's millions of dollars of hiv medication in warehouses that the u.s. has already paid for, and that cannot go out and be administered to individuals who are at high risk for this disease. i mean, it goes through soup kitchens. it goes through developmental aid for children. it goes to, you know, a myriad of things. and it's what is so difficult. and from sources i've talked to is that they don't even actually know how far this stop work order touches. they i think the implications of what this freeze would do is still a question to many of the people on the ground who are doing this work. >> including even assistance going to ukraine, and people are not able to receive it. all right. farnoosh mary, thank you so much. all right. right now, democrats are voting on who will lead the dnc for president trump's second term. we'll go there live. >> kobe, the making of a legend tonight at nine on cnn u-box. >> there were many fa

under george w bush's pepfar program. that's all been shuttered by marco rubio and donald trump. it should be one of the biggest stories in america, if not the world. people are going to die because of what donald trump and musk and rubio have been doing in recent weeks. and also, if you don't have any moral concerns for these people dying again, to go back to ravi's point, your point, what does it say for america's reputation in the world? one of the few good things we have on the international stage was our foreign aid program. >> in fact, i heard from a canadian official, ravi, who said, if this moves forward, whatever happens, whatever comes of what looks like a renegotiation of our trade agreements with with mexico and canada, whether you think it will be better or worse, it has done such irreparable damage to some of the deepest relationships that that the world understood existed. when he makes the point canadians, when america goes to war, canadians go to war with them to help. this has done irreparable damage. that may be generational. >> absolutely. i mean, look, and it

so in a country where we've long funded the pepfar program, started by president bush, long supportedn a bipartisan basis that provides anti-retrovirals and testing and nurses and support and crinnics, to a -- clinics, to abandon that, defund that, shut that down, simply creates an opening for a bad actor to come in and say the americans abandoned you. sorry for your life. here we are. we want to help. the chinese have invested hundreds and hundred-dollar of billions in advancing their interests through investing in infrastructure, building partnerships in critical min minerals, becoming the leads on port operations and delivering humanitarian aid. we should not shut down our assistance to the world in a way that creates this vacuum. who wins is the first question. my concern is our adversaries. second, process matters. as those of us who are lawyers know, it's backwards to start with an executive order that shuts down the funding for an organization and entity, to invade and occupy its headquarters, to have an unelected department get into its systems, to lay off and furlough its sen