i'm joined in the studio by rob bates, research director for the centre for migration control.got kwasi kwarteng, former conservative member of parliament and chancellor, the exchequer, with me and laurie laybourne, associate fellow at the institute for public policy research. good evening gentlemen. rob, am i right? is mass migration making us poor? i mean, clearly there are other factors with the economy, but it does seem to me, when i read out that number since the end of 2022, it's coincided with record numbers of net migration into our country. >> yeah. and i think we have to look really at the type of migration that we have been seeing, especially in the last 20 or so years. and even in the last five years, we've seen a real, real escalation towards this low skilled, low wage immigration. in 2023, 70% of those coming into the country on a skilled worker visa. so not even including dependants and those on student visas were earning less than was actually needed for them to be making a net fiscal benefit and paying more into the treasury than they actually take out in terms