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h a here is a senior fellow at the royal united services institute. it's on the specialist and security studies in the middle east. joining us from cairo. welcome back to alta 0 . now we have comments made by the is really defense minister is real tasks. who's saying that the war should resume to fulfill trumps plan to take over guys. uh, what are the likely scenarios going forward to the thanks as well. thank you for having me on your program again. um, so the reality is, is the, this is far outline has been in jeopardy since the day it was signed. and those are simply because that hasn't been sufficient commitment on this really side, nor from within the trumpet and ministration. to ensure that we get the phase 2, which is when all is where the troops are meant to leave garza and phase 3 when reconstruction takes place. and so of course, at the moment um, over the last, you know, couple of days as being all of this concern around how i'm not saying that they're not going to release more as really prisoners. um, but the reality is that you've had the

captives on saturday, we cannot speak to a healthier who is a senior fellow with the royal united services institute, down to specialist and security studies. and then at least joining us from kyra, welcome back to alta 0. are you optimistic that is real and how may i ask how to reach a compromise before saturday on this weekend's supposed to be scheduled round of the exchange between the a is really captives and the palestinian prisoners. and thank you very much for having me on the program. so the, this is far outline, which by the way, is what the, nothing yahoo, a government instructed the cabinet to refer to this as, as an outline. that's a framework not a deal or agreement, which i think represents the amount of good faith is going into this. is i thinking in very serious jeopardy of the presence of the israeli government um, has not shown a tremendous amount of commitment to this outlining. the 1st place the, the numbers are posted instead of being killed during the ceasefire period. the already have been in at least several dozen. um and of course you have uh the, the lack of uh, of an actua

here is a senior fellow at the royal united services institution on the specialist and security studies in the middle east. he says the goal is to cease fire framework is fragile . and this is for outline, which by the way is what the, nothing yahoo, a government instructor, the cabinet to refer to this as it's an outline. it's a framework not a deal or agreement, which i think represents the amount of good faith is going into this. is i thinking in very serious jeopardy at presence of the israeli government um, has not shown a tremendous amount of commitment to this outline in the 1st place and the numbers of posts and instead of being killed during the ceasefire period. a ready have been in at least several dozen. and of course you have the, the lack of, of an actual mandate. so there's really delegation to, to have that as a mandates action. negotiate about phase 2. that's so as i'm taking place of people have been sent, but they don't have the mandate to do very much. and then of course you have in the background, donald trump's administration talking about, you know, a clearing out

hellyer, who's a senior fellow in geopolitics and security at the royal united services institute for defense in london and the center for american progress in washington, dc. he joins us now from cairo. so i just want to get start to start off, your reaction to yet another release of not just israeli hostages, but also more palestinian prisoners as well. >> thank you, kim. >> for having. >> me on your show. so the the proposed ceasefire outline as the netanyahu's cabinet refers to, it includes a clause about prisoner exchange, um, and israel is supposed to release 1000 detainees from gaza, um, that were detained on the 8th of october, but explicitly not involved in the 7th of october attack on israel. um, uh, people should ask the question, why were they then detained for the past 15 months, especially if they had nothing to do with the 7th of october attack. but as part of the agreement, there's supposed to be those releases of those prisoners. um, there have been a number of prisoners that have been released, and even before that, there was a young palestinian, uh, mohamed sabah. h

he is a senior associate fellow at the royal united services institute for defense and security studies, and joins us now live from cairo. really good to see you. listen, there's so much that's going on, and i want to just start off with marco rubio in tel aviv, meeting with benjamin netanyahu. and importantly, this is, you know, soon after we hear about these riviera plans for gaza, you still don't have arab states that are pro this plan. they probably looking to come up with some alternative. what do you think is going to be discussed? how consequential are these meetings? >> well, eleni, thank you so much for having me on your program. >> i don't. >> think that rubio's visit. >> is really. >> going to change the calculus on any of these plans. i think the arab states, egypt, saudi in particular, are trying to put together a plan that looks actually doable. there's complete rejection of the quote unquote riviera plan, not simply from the arab states, but from, i think, most of the international community, including many of america's own allies in the west. the idea that you could simp

he's a senior associate fellow at the royal united services institute for defense and security studies to see you again. so here we are. this is the fifth hostage release. prisoner exchange. three weeks into the ceasefire. how do you assess the process so far? >> well. >> thank you very much for having me on the program. so i think that the the coming days are going. >> to be really quite delicate. we're coming towards the end of phase one, and the real test of this entire sort of outline of, of a cease fire is really phase two. and negotiations on phase two are due to begin very shortly. um, we haven't seen incredibly, uh, how should i say, enthusiastic signs from the israelis or indeed from the united states. um, and the latest statements from the white house and from the from the trump administration, um, have really not put the cease process into a great place. you know, talking about creating a riviera on gaza, clearing out gaza of its palestinian inhabitants, um, permanently, not even temporarily. um, all of that just emboldens the most egregious approaches that are spreading aro

meantime, i want to bring in archie hellyer, who is senior associate fellow with the royal united services institute defense and security studies. and he joins me from cairo. uh, thank you so much for being here with us again. uh, we've spoken through a couple of these hostage handovers. so far, despite all the problems. and certainly we have to highlight the the returning by hamas of the wrong remains. uh, all of those problems put put those aside. do these generally successful handovers, the fact that we are progressing through this, does it does it generate any momentum towards that crucial phase two? do you think? >> uh. >> well. >> thank you very much for having me on the program. >> um. >> so i think that there's a quandary here, which is the momentum for getting to phase two. uh, depends entirely on. >> uh. >> both sides wanting to go to phase two. um, when you have the hostages being released, um, that is a crucial component. as to why, uh, the calculus in israel continues to be, uh, continuing with the ceasefire, hostage negotiations. right. but once they're. >> gone. >> once all of the hos