sean duffy says. he's the secretary of transportation. i have no reason to doubt his his numbers. >> um, karen, when you when you hear this, i mean, look, americans are concerned about bloat in the federal government. they have been for a very long time. what do you make of how it's been meted out? >> so the concern that i and i think a lot of americans have, we can all agree there's bloat. we can all agree that we need to deal with that at the same time. what we're seeing is speed for the sake of creating momentum to create a sense of things are happening at the same time. look what happened friday. we had nuclear scientists fired, and then they said, oops, we need those people because they have a technical skill that nobody else has. so the problem that i have with the way they're doing it is what? and i went to the doge website to see if they would say anything about, look, we are conducting this process to make sure we don't harm american safety, their health, or take money out of their wallets. they don't say that. and so and we're finding out the consequences and the impact of some of th