verena pausder, welcome to the programme. now, it's a pivotal moment, isn't it? priority of the next government. because, i mean, the overall economic situation in germany is not good. you know, we're in the third year of a recession. we're only growing by 0.3% this year. and i think it is the number—one topic here in germany right now. into innovation, because i think that's falling far too short in the discussions over the last weeks. and there's also some pessimism, really, about the outlook for the german economy, and we all it can be a bit of a vicious cycle. and optimism to business? it has to. i mean, at the moment, we're world—class in putting ourselves down and telling the world basically that the opposite is true. the amount of private capital and this kind of "made so that has kind of lost its value. i would like to put that back in place and start telling and it feels like there's a reassessment of what maybe it's a shift slightly away from manufacturing absolutely. do you get a sense that the right skills are available, in the key sectors like ai, so

i've been catching up with the chief executive verena pausder, welcome to the programme. entrepreneur of the next government. you know, we're in the third year of a recession. about energy prices or taxes — and i would like to put much over the last weeks. self—fulfilling, can't it? it can be a bit of a vicious cycle. i mean, at the moment, we're world—class in putting ourselves down and telling the world basically that we're not good enough if i look at the top talent, we have the world research the amount of private capital and this kind of "made in germany" certificate, if you want. so that has kind of lost its value. maybe it's a shift slightly away from manufacturing in the key sectors like ai, software development, so germany is dependent on immigration. "we don't want you here." and i think we should be saying, "choose europe, choose germany. we need the people, otherwise we can have the best ideas in the world, they won't happen. yes. "we need to prioritise education, skills" — that the workforce "is prepared for the future"? i think it's...it�*s clear in every st