wendy sherman, welcome back to the program. can i start by asking you how you interpret what president trump is now saying and essentially lashing out verbally against president zelenskyy, calling him a dictator, saying that his polls are below, you know, 4% saying that he started the war. why do you think he's doing that? >> quite frankly, it's outrageous. >> one doesn't do this to allies, to zelenskyy, to ukraine, who has fought so valiantly over these three years, to our european allies. the president seems to have a version of how one goes about things, and that is transactional, not with allies and partners. and we're seeing that play out here. so far, he's given putin virtually everything putin wants. he or his minions, his secretaries, have given away territory to putin, have said nato won't be present, nor any foreign countries that are part of nato present. after a ceasefire or a peace agreement. he has said we're going to have economic relations with russia. we're going to reestablish all of the personnel in our agenc

joining us now, the former deputy secretary of state, wendy sherman, and cnn contributor jill dougherty, former cnn moscow bureau chief. wendy, let me start with you. what's your reaction, first of all, to president trump today falsely claiming that ukraine, ukraine started this war with russia. >> well. >> wolf, i think you. >> jeff, alex. >> said it it was outrageous. >> uh. >> it is actually. >> so far and i. think jill, who. >> knows moscow. >> and putin quite well. >> um, all. >> this administration has done so far is given carrots to russia. >> and today. the president. >> put sticks on president zelenskyy and. >> ukraine. >> when in fact, as you all. have said quite accurately, it was. vladimir putin. >> who. >> horrifically, illegally invaded a sovereign territory and set. >> off this horror show. >> as you know, wolf, on january 10th, i led a delegation from the united states to meet with the russians as a last ditch effort, even knowing from intelligence that putin had made the decision to invade because he believes ukraine belongs to russia. and so when you hear senator wicke