annmarie: i would say two things on nato. has not changed his position, and have seen other presidents, like president obama and president biden talking about the fact europe needs to do more. they outsourced their defense to the united states and need to do more. now, trump will push it even more. before the election, 5%, they want to see that spending when it comes to gdp. but there's a fantastic quote -- let's stop the gossiping about what u.s. may or may not do. jonathan: how many times did you watch that exchange friday afternoon? lisa: about six. jonathan: what do you think broke things down? lisa: my personal opinion, which nobody really wants, but it seems like there's a lot of animosity hand a -- heading into this meeting that was personal on a couple of sides. if you like donald trump was trying come although irritated about the lack of suit, and jd vance, his involvement and the fact that, in the past, jd vance and validity zelenskyy have had -- volodymyr zelenskyy had had black blood -- bad blood. jonathan: the bi