, is bush -- winston churchill is now back in its rightful place in the oval office.re very proud of it. our meeting today and various breakout sessions we had were tremendously productive. most importantly, i provided the prime minister with an update on our efforts to end the bloody and horrible war in ukraine with russia. which would never have happened if i were president. that was not going to happen, i promise you that. after three years of hellacious conflict, approximately one million ukrainians and russians have been senselessly kill. the number i believe is much higher than that. countless schools, hospitals, beautiful ancient churches have been absolutely obliterated. to begin the process of ending this spiral of death, i had historic back-to-back calls with president putin, very successful call, i might add, and president zelenskyy. and my team also spoke with the secretary general of nato on numerous occasions. we're, having -- we're working very hard to get that war brought to an end. i think we've made a lot of progress. i think it's moving along pretty

but churchill was also voted out of office in 1945.was a man for a moment, but he did not then transition england into the next phase. and it's unclear whether president zelenskyy, particularly after what we saw friday, is ready to transition to ukraine, to an end to this war and to negotiate and have to compromise. and what president trump said right there that day in the oval office is both sides are going to compromise here. he's made that clear to both vladimir putin and zelenskyy. but it did not appear to us that zelenskyy was ready to go to peace. so when he makes that clear to us publicly and privately, that's what i mean. that's the president is trying to end this war. he campaigned on it. he was elected on it. and that's going to take tough diplomacy. who would criticize us? but you have members of democrats that are criticizing us for dealing with the russians, the same democrats that had no problem dealing with the murderous iranian regime in an iran deal that was horrific and used the russians as intermediaries. >> can i ju

tracksuit of the day. >> well winston churchill i don't think we're bespoke. tracksuit. i'm not. >> mocking the words jason miller used but i'm saying is he did he showed up in an in an air in a jumpsuit. >> that was a little bit different kind of jumpsuit. winston churchill. >> was an air raid. >> it an air raid. >> zelenskyy i mean, i don't want to get into making. >> this again. listen, it's a listen world. and we're talking. no, no, but. but governor. no, no but governor no no no it is, it is. no, it is something i'm telling you. it is a sign of respect. this president, this president sees it as a sign of respect. if president zelenskyy would have gotten out of the suv or the limo in a suit, it would have signaled. i'm just saying again, it would have signaled, i'm here. i'm taking this seriously. i understand the gravity of this all. i've never i've never worn anything before. i'm doing this. >> i do this, just show winston churchill, by the way, just to. >> but i've seen it, i know. yeah, right. >> i'm not i'm not saying. i mean, i'm just saying that. nobody didn't

winston churchill said we will fight on the beaches, the fields and never surrender.hat is the kind of language we can usually expect from donald trump and i think ultimately zelenskyy has one card here he can still play and it's the visual of donald trump if he goes to ukraine. we saw how that played well for boris johnson, the times that he went. donald trump understands visuals really well. some type of reagan asked moment in kyiv would be a real strong signal from trump. >> shannon: it would take a lot to get there because i'm not sure they are even communicating this point but to president trump's point he is having conversations with putin and that wasn't happening during the vine administration and how do you resolve it if you're not at the table with the key players? >> we do need to be talking to everyone at the table but with that being said the idea of donald trump going to kyiv is highly unlikely. i don't want to play down susan's point because the idea of this meeting being historic and unprecedented and all that follows is important. what we heard from t

and i don't think donald trump understands leadership. >> he doesn't understand. >> fdr or churchill. he doesn't understand history. can the europeans. step up? it looks like they're going to try to. but without our leadership, without our assistance, this. >> gets very. >> very hard for the ukrainians. and by the way, it. >> gets easy for russia. >> this is what russia wants. the kremlin. just today said that this was largely their vision. this is what they wanted. >> they now. >> have. >> donald trump, jd vance and. >> i guess. >> to some extent. >> elon musk on their side. >> how many times have you heard president zelensky say thank you? >> i he it. >> seems like every. >> other sentence. >> he did on friday. >> in our meeting. he has. >> a. >> habit of saying thank. >> you to the american people. >> thank you to congress. thank you to this president. >> thank you to. >> joe biden. >> i don't think i've ever met somebody. >> that is more appreciative. >> than zelensky. >> i mean, he understands. >> that we, you know. >> how much. >> help we are. >> giving them. >> he gets it. >> a

british prime minister winston churchill was opposed to president roosevelt's plan for a massive military invasion on the beaches of france across the english channel to drive nazi germany out of france, and so were some of the commanding generals, american generals who were serving president roosevelt. but the president persisted with his strategy, winning winston churchill's support only at the last minute. >> for. the d-day. >> invasion, for what turned out to be the decisive military operation of world war two in europe. >> and while. >> franklin roosevelt was planning the d-day invasion and other tactical victories in world war two, president roosevelt was designing what would become the united nations, the institution he hoped would be the preserver of peace worldwide. after the. >> war. >> franklin roosevelt did not live long enough to see the opening of the united nations in 1946, and the term leader of the free world was. >> not. widely applied. >> to american presidents until the cold war era, when the united states and the soviet union, led by a russian dictator, were locked in

yes, churchill wore this even in the presence of foreign leaders and heads of state. there he is with general eisenhower, future president of the united states. i want to know what you think. go to my website. it's .com. answer today's poll question. who bears the most responsibility for the oval office argument? donald trump, j.d. vance, vladimir zelenskyy, or all equally? joining me now, cnn senior military analyst james stavridis. he's the former supreme allied commander of nato, a retired four star navy admiral, a partner at the carlyle group, a global investment firm. he serves on the board of advisors for a handful of defense related companies, and is the author of a terrific book, the restless wave a novel of the united states navy. admiral. i imagine you have seen many squabbles like this among world leaders and military leaders, but not on camera. yeah. >> you hit the right point. by the way, i agree with. your analysis. overall. um, i go back a decade ago when the nato heads of state and government, including our president barack obama, who, by the way, his

churchill came to the white house during world war two in his military garb. we have seen our elected officials go to natural disaster zones wearing windbreakers. zelenskyy is in the middle of a war and it is fully appropriate. >> i actually think that churchill analogy, first of all, it's been made before and when the war started, a lot of people said that he was channeling a sort of sort of churchillian esthetic by basically signaling to his people as their commander in chief that they were in a war. right. and now it's become, i think, for the right, a symbol that he is cosplaying as a military hero when he's not. >> let's talk about what's most important. that was disgraceful. disgusting, disrespectful, dangerous, and bad for not just ukraine, but bad for american national security. it felt un-american. it felt traitorous. i've never seen a reaction from veterans of all backgrounds, like i have in the last couple of hours, to that disgusting, demoralizing display. so i don't even want to focus too much on what was worn. i want to focus on what was, what wa

washington with this house and the country willing him to succeed, will he invoke the legacy of churchillin making the case for the u.k. to be the key in bridging transatlantic relations to bring us all together for the sake of freedom and democracy across the world? >> i thank him for his question. can i pick up on both elements because president zelensky is a democratically elected leader and suspending elections was precisely what we did in this country when we were fighting in the second world war. and secondly, on his point, yes, i do think that the u.k. has successfully been a bridge between the u.s. and europe for many, many years. it's vital that we continue in that role, and that's why my message to president trump is that the relationship between our two countries needs to go from strength to strength. it's all very strong, but also working at the same time with our european allies. >> thank you mr. speaker. on monday night there was a brutal double stabbing in my constituency. this adds to a long line of horrific knife attacks that have included 3 fatalities over the past 2 yea

he is not exactly winston churchill.t involved in world war 2, could you imagine him coming over here and insulting fdr? elon musk doesn't wear suits either, we should say and wears hats and t-shirts in the obama office. is he not asking for money. is he volunteering. is he volunteering his services. >> he is trying to give your money back. not take it. so you have got to dress for the occasion. but, boy, that thing was like wwf friday night smack down. by the way, laura, after that zelenskyy-trump clash, lunch was canceled. the press office staffers ate it according to jacqui heinrich. i guess he was hard up for a meal from the white house. he had a bilat with burger king. no word on whether that meeting went well or not. we will see. >> laura: no. he did not go to burger king. >> i don't think so. he went to bret baier. and, laura, it we got to talk about this other topic milan fashion week. they unveiled an entire new -- you sent this to me, actually, this story. a new line of jeans but the them up in seconds. i heard

winston churchill never asked that question in washington. well, the reaction to that stunning meeting, that sickening meeting was swift, the wall street journal editorial board wrote in part this the point of the meeting was supposed to be progress toward an honorable peace for ukraine, and the event was winner was russia's vladimir putin. but as with the war, mr. zelenskyy didn't start this oval office exchange. he was supposed to. was he supposed to tolerate an extended public denigration of the ukrainian people who have been fighting a war for survival for the three years? the washington post editorial writing, quote, trump, for his part, should recognize the big picture if he wants to avoid world war three, he should heed the lessons of world war two, appeasing dictators doesn't work. putin, a former kgb officer, responds to toughness, not trembling. he respects force, not flattery. and just ask the people of georgia that and the people of ukraine that and the people of crimea tha won putin invasion after another met by non-responses by

keir starmer was in the oval office when the first things he pointed out we have a bust of winston churchillhe oval office space that will fight on the beaches, will fight on the fields we will never surrender. that is not the kind of a language that we should expect from donald trump and ultimately zelensky has 1 apart that he could play that's a visual of donald trump if he goes ukraine. we saw how that played very, very well for boris johnson the times that he went donald trump understands visual very well some type of reaganesque moment if that's possible in kyiv would be a real strong signal from trump into putin. shannon: i think it would take a lot to get there. i am not sure they are even communicating at this point. but to president trump's point he is having conversation with putin. that was not happened during the biden administration how do you resolve it if you're not at the table with the key players? >> i agreed the sitting president we do need to be talking to everybody at the table with that being said the ideal of donald trump going to kyiv is highly unlikely. i do not play

churchill: today is victory in europe day. we may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing.ars since the allied victory in europe was celebrated on the streets of london. elation mixed with relief that world war ii was over. and this year, the commemorations will pay tribute to the millions who served. as they did in 1945, the royal family will be involved in many of the events planned for the first week of may. commemorations officially begin on the 5th of may, bank holiday monday, with a military procession in london and street parties around the country. on tuesday, the 6th of may, the poppies return to the tower of london. nearly 30,000 of the original ceramic poppies are back on display. and on ve day itself, thursday the 8th of may, a service of remembrance at westminster abbey and a concert on horse guards parade with space for 10,000 members of the public. all knew that both victory and failure were possible. like last year's d-day anniversary, the stories and memories of veterans will be at the heart of events. they're dwindling in number, but veterans that are able

of course, winston churchill, you know, seen as a hero, a lion as history has judged him. what do you make of trump's reaction to even commenting on zelenskyy's clothes? >> well, the president, the leader of the free world, the president of united states, that was beneath him to make a comment like that. and of course, elon musk stands in the oval office with a ball cap and a t-shirt on. so this this is an attempt, i think, by some to try and humiliate, uh, president zelenskyy. and of course, nobody else, including the king of england, was was bothered by this, uh, outfit. >> no, no, he wore it out with the king of england. of course, this weekend. general hodges, thank you very much. and next, the breaking news. doge backtracking for the second time in a week, deleting claims of saving the u.s. government money. there's some incredible new reporting tonight in the new york times. plus, a republican senator gets up abruptly, leaves a town hall after being confronted by one voter about trump's sweeping cuts to veterans. >> i support the veterans, but what you're. doing righ

and instead, he turned out to be he acted not like churchill, but an actor playing winston churchill. he acted like a spoiled hollywood actor. he acted entitled. he acted ungrateful, he acted peevish, petulant, combative. and now he, of course, he's going to have to come crawling back and offer an apology. but i think that when someone shows you who they are, believe them. >> so there's no way you can deal with a guy like zelensky. he's got to leave before anything gets signed. >> well, i'm not saying we shouldn't deal with him, but i. i think that zelensky has powerful motivations not to make peace. i don't think he really wants to make peace. he says that the war needs to keep going on. he basically says the war needs to go on forever. and i think there's good reasons for that in his mind. number one, if the war is over, he loses power, right? he canceled elections there. he's in the sixth year of a fifth of a five year term. and if he leaves, if he stands for elections, he's very unpopular there. despite what the fake polls from usaid say. and he'll be vulnerable to political retal

i mean, he's not exactly winston churchill. >> yeah, well, i think when churchill wanted, you know, america to get involved in world war ii, can you imagine him coming over here and kind of insulting, you know, fdr just strafing the whole oval office? that probably wouldn't happen. elon musk doesn't wear suits either. we should say, and also wears hats and t-shirts in the oval office. but that's kind of his. he's not asking for money. he's volunteering. yeah, and he's volunteering his services. >> he's trying to give your money back, not take it. so, you know, you got to dress for the occasion. but, boy, that thing was like wwf friday night smackdown without a ref. but by the way, laura, after that zelensky trump clash, lunch was canceled. the press office staffers ate it, according to jackie heinrich. so he. i guess he was hard up for a meal. so from the white house, zelensky had a bilat with another head of state, burger king. no word on whether that meeting went well or not. we'll see. >> no, he did not go to burger king. >> i don't think he went to bret baier. but look, i've and laura,

, comparing to how churchill stepped aside as they tried to negotiate peace post world war two. >> talking points, that i want to get to that in a second. but what do you make of the talking points? continue to run sort of in mirror image of one another from the kremlin and the leader of the free world? >> it is pretty remarkable. and it's one that's going to cause a lot of concern among key elements of his own party. we saw some one member speaking out this weekend, senator lisa murkowski, saying it makes her sick to her stomach that it appears that donald trump is aligning himself more and more with with putin. the question for me, too, is that how much does this impact the leverage and the ultimate negotiations to end this war, in the sense that russia does not have to give up a whole lot? now, they may actually be this may actually prolong the war. why would they need to actually cut a deal here if u.s. is not going to stand behind ukraine at this key moment? so for russia, this is great news for them because they could ultimately get a lot more than what they would ultimately. >> advi

winston churchill said, “the price of greatness is responsibility.”t means sacrificing now for future benefit. the reality is there is going to be pain either way the pain of discipline now, or the pain of regret later. many of us have witnessed that over the last 6 years. in 2018, the state was facing massive budget deficits and we had nothing in savings. over the next six years, we said no to good ideas in the moment so we could say yes to the well-being of future generations of oklahomans. because of that discipline, we got to come together as republicans and democrats to say yes to cutting the grocery tax last year. [applause] this makes life more affordable for millions of oklahomans across our state when inflation is crushing working families. as we begin this new session, we will be faced with many “good” ideas. the greatness of our state depends on discipline and the willingness to set the right priorities, even when it's difficult. in 2019, i said the oklahoma turnaround starts right here, right now. and we've seen that turnaround happen. let

trump never appreciated winston churchill's insight, there's only one thing worse than fighting with that is fighting without our allies. john bolton writing in today's wall street journal. debbie, michigan, democrat, good morning. caller: i haven't called in a couple years, i used to call every month and set my watch. host: good to hear from you again, debbie. what should america's role be? caller: i believe it should be the same it has always been. we are the brightest star for democracy. when it comes to affording to help ukraine, we could afford it better than anybody can. i understand the president makes everybody mad, it is so sad like bullen just said trump has been dismantling these things as every turn. our security vision, house at is that. something was said, nobody wants to talk about what the actual agreement was. bessent wanted him to sign something that ukraine had to give us $500 billion. we were supposed to give them $5 billion in the rare earth trade. nothing going forward. that was going to pay for everything. if we didn't give them 500, why were they expecting zel

obviously, he's trying to imitate churchill in some form or another very badly i would say. so patrick, you're in plymouth right now. right. right now, yes. that's okay. uh, can you look out the window, are there any rushing troops on the streets? no, i the i'm, if i, if i'm listening to the u. k. prime minister that that's the assumption that you draw patrick, i hate to disappoint you. peter, yeah there's, there's no sign at all of, of the red army, you know, patrolling the streets of plymouth. know this, and this is of the fetish size ation of, of history the, the, hitler eyes ation of the russian president. these are all problems that are emblematic of everything that has gotten europe into this mindset right now, which is a very dangerous mindset and they can't pull themselves out, is just quite extraordinary that is curious storm or is that i think political called him the, the leader of the free world now, according to the headline this morning, and it's, it's so funny how it's kind of brought a britain back together with europe, you know, breaks it and everything. bur

the open, so she's address us congress has been hailed as the 21st century is on stuff to winston churchill. so money weapons, paying comfortable if anything he wanted he gold. and then he sat down with donald trump and it was a dressing down of such an yes, i'm diplomatic proportions, but i genuine, he was convinced at the very beginning when i was watching that it was some kind of deep faith. but because those scenes were completely so real and things just went from 5 to was because as much faith to mineral deal, but so landscape specific k 5 in to washington design, cancelled a joint press conference council to walk in, not canceled and report to saying that he was actually exiled from the white house until keith, we considered as his behavior and we considered as his now on the 5th bizarre to keep fighting despite the tragic cloth of life and territory. i think it is that specific, that aspects that really lies up the roots of trump. this ration we had a meeting today is, you know, with president zalinski and i would say it didn't work out exactly great from this standpoint. very much o

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zelensky to winston churchill. now this. >> if we want to do a history. >> lesson on churchill. that he stood and fought for. his people. president zelensky stood and fought. >> for ukraine. >> but churchill was also voted out of office. in 1945. he was a man for a moment, but he did not then transition england into the next phase. and it's unclear whether president zelensky, particularly after what we saw friday, is ready to transition. >> to. >> ukraine, to. >> an end. >> to this. >> war and to. negotiate and have to compromise. >> are you. suggesting that president trump wants zelensky. >> to resign? >> we need a leader. that can. deal with. >> us eventually. >> deal with the. >> russians and end this war >> and if it becomes apparent that president zelensky. either personal. motivations or political motivations, or divergent from ending the fighting in his country, then then i think we have a real issue on our hands. >> again, to be clear. >> but friday. >> was president. zelensky simply trying to insert facts into that admonition that j.d. vance and donald trump tried to de

cover, open the keys address us congress has been hailed as the 21st century is on set to winston churchill. so money, weapons, fame, culture, that's anything i wanted to golf balls. and then she sat down with donald trump and it was a dressing down of such as a yes, i'm diplomatic proportions, but i genuine. he was convinced that the very beginning when i was watching that it was some kind of paint face because those scenes were complete. neat, so real and things just went from 5 to was because this much, they took mineral deal. but so let's give specific pay for them to washington to signs cancelled a joint press conference council to watch and not come totally opposed to saying that he was actually exiled from the white house until we considered as his behavior. and we considered as his mount on the 5th bizarre 16th flight saying, despite the tragic loss of nice on territory, i think it is that specific that aspect. so really nice. were some of the trump tracery strong incident? you're right. we had a meeting today as you know, with president zelinski, and i would say it didn't work out

it was so good to see the bust of winston churchill back in its rightful place a moment ago. look, in a moment of real danger around the world, the relationship -- this relationship matters more than ever. we remain each other's first partner in defense. ready to come to the other'sed a, to counter threats, wherever and whenever they may arise. no two militaries are more intertwined than ours. no two countries have done more together to keep people safe. in a few week we mark v.e. day. the 80th anniversary of victory in europe. britain and america fought side-by-side to make that happen. one they have greatest moments in our history -- one of the greatest moments in our history. we stand side-by-side here today and focus now on bringing and enduring end to the barbaric war in ukraine. mr. president, i welcome your deep and personal commitment to bring peace and to stop the killing. you created a moment of tremendous opportunity to reach a historic peace deal. a deal that i think would be celebrated in ukraine and around the world. that is the prize. but we have to get it righ

instead he turned out to act like an actor playing winston churchill. like a hollywood actor.acted entitled, ungrateful, peevish, petulant, combative. of course he has to offer an apology but, -- >> jesse: there is no way you can deal with a guy like volodymyr zelenskyy, he has to leave before anything gets signed? >> i'm not saying we should not deal was him, i think volodymyr zelenskyy has powerful motivations not to make peace. he says the war needs to keep going gone. i think that is good reasons, number 1 of the war is over he loses power. he canceled elections, he's in the the fifth year of a five-year term. if he stands for elections, he's very unpopular despite with that of fake polls say. and he will be vulnerable to the local administration -- he needs the war to justify his rule. that's number 1. if he gives up power, his own safety is at risk. number 2 is a gravy train. we have been sending hundreds of billions of dollars, the ukrainian elites have been feasting on that money, it's on top of that. that whole rift trends if the war end. it gives him a powerful incen

we want to attract people we want to attract entrepreneur, churchill, people from around the world. and there's more room for entrepreneur realism and innovation in manufacturing, economy than in an agricultural economy. so he's he's many ways and lots of people have written about this. one of the first developmental economists thinking about a new nation and what you need to do to make it a powerful nation. it's also the tariff. the tariff is easy to collect. yeah. it's just practical thing. you need a certain amount of money, maintain a military defense and post office and so forth. so can you tax easily. the answer is tariff and alcohol and the government exists apart from the civil war. largely on those things. until comes to about. in the 19 tens when it decides it doesn't want to have alcohol anymore because it's just a tax source and decides hey what about an income tax. i guess that was called progress at the time, right? well, coolidge reduced rates. okay. professor mueller, i was delighted over here on high. i was delighted to hear you mention barak or benedict, spinoza. y

i hate powerpoint but like winston churchill said about democracy, it's the worst form of government except for all the alternatives. powerpoint is the worst form of visual communication --than all the alternatives. briefly, top takeaways we have from the '24 electn cycle which went smoothly in pennsylvania despite the attention from left and right and r position as a swing state, for presidential elections, wera few things. i visited 67 counties to sit down with election directors, county commissioners, those responsible for running elections at county level which is where the action happens, to hear from them and learn how pennsylvania department of state can be supportive of their efforts in the event challenges occur and sat down with their local newspaper or tv station -- for me this cycle largely informed by my experience in 2020 running elections in philadelphia was local media is worth our effort and attention. it's not that it is not -- it is important to be on cnn, msnbc and fox but local sources are much more trusted than national. made sure to sit down at a soft -- at a c

i think zelenskyy is going to need to apologize and remember that churchill back in world war ii did everything he could to keep america on britain side, to a little bit more of that. the main thing is this was part of a very careful plan. trump is on the right arc of starting with the minerals deal and then having britain and france provide security. then the u.s. can backstop in so many ways. nato airpower, space, cyber, lots of things. i would like to see both sides get that deal going otherwise -- benefits. >> trace: i was listening to former secretary of state on fox news today and he made an interesting point i want to play to see if you agree and what you think. watch. >> there's no doubt ukraine without this support of the united states, america puts itself in jeopardy. we ought to make sure we do this well and power play. when we do ukraine will have a chance to get a good outcome and that matters to the united states deeply. >> trace: i think the bigger theme is that you can have -- i mean we had some world leaders criticizing trump advance in the way they handled this. you

i think it was churchill who during world war ii was roundly criticized for being a bit lippy! mister, we'll decide where you're going to fight them, whether it's on the beaches or not." [bleep]. poor guy, zelenskyy. his nation was invaded, he's -- against all odds -- held off a much bigger army for three years, and we're like, "and would it kill you to smile more, dress a little nicer? you're a beautiful country, nobody would know!" "show off what you got. know what i'm talking about? maybe some of those rare metals i've been hearing something about." but of course, if you criticize trump's very clear hostility to zelenskyy, and very clear appreciation of putin as being suspicious or a repudiation of american values as they've been outlined since world war ii, trump's people quickly set up straw men north of richmond. >> if there are no negotiations, what is the alternative? another four years of war? >> jon: we're not saying there should be no negotiations. we're just surprised at the side you seem to be negotiating for. >> president trump recognizes the urgent need to end th