between the 2 presidents and their respective countries like to discuss with them now and joined by demetrius 1st left deputy director of the center for comprehensive in your opinion and international studies of the higher school of economics. in most call me trans . good to see you again. thank you very much for your time. my pleasure. great to see you too. now i'm sure like most of us um you found the exchange and the oval office for the draw dropping. uh what are the main takeaways uh for you from uh, from thats path oh my main take away is that the trump administration is really committed to ending the war as quickly as possible. they perceive the ukraine more as a winnable and as a distraction which prevents the united states from focusing on really important and strategic issues. and the 2nd take away is that from doesn't consider ukraine as a counterpart and as a decision maker, and as an actor, you great ukrainian life support defense 100 percent of on the west. i and uh, even despite this live support ukraine, that gives me using the war. this is why it's willing to try. ukraine can log

okay. demetrius, i mean, trump said it is much better to deal with the us as a partner rather than a competitor, but as a basically burning all of this close, those ponds isn't allies in the 1st month. we'll start with of as a 2nd 10. i think that's why i'm a little baffled by the use of the tires. not because they were, you know, we weren't, weren't, of course, we weren't, weren't proud his entire career hispanic desk, you know, talking about tires and thinking about tar says, tools to achieve very subjective. but i'm not entirely sure i understand of williams how national security will be held by imposing types of canada by stoking anti american sentiment. and, you know, our closest allies, i'm not sure. it's not how we'll income's are going to be helped by making products abroad. and more expensive, this is what parents do, and i'm not really sure how the current account this is gonna be helped by importing more at the eye, which counts as negative on the current account. so you know, all these things with being warned about their being implemented in a completely haphazard fashion. we saw a term being close and kind of the way that bothers might be then. then today we're

with that demetrius was saying, and i'm very surprised to hear what some interest says because the one thing that present trump is very clear about us all through his campaign and even from his 1st administration, is that he likes the use of carriers because tires are one of many policy tools to achieve a set of economic and not a drama objectives. and i think it's been a crystal clear. the terrorists are used to try to encourage the development of a strategic industries united states and their superior to subsidies that many countries use and factory superior to the subsidies of the bike and ministration. use like chip side because a subsidies costs the but the budget money a cost revenues towers, brand revenues and provide the same amount of protection. and as far as the global engagements concerned, present trump the 1st speak she made especially to the executives at davos, was to say the united states is open to investment from the rest of the world. you come and be a partner with us and you benefit from reduced taxes and a task barrier that protects the production that you set up united states. but if you choose to be a competitor, then you will face a tariff barrier becaus