there's racism that exist -- it goes by a bunch of names, equity, drc, you can go on and on, but whatever you want to call it is wrong and has to stop. stop discriminating on the basis of race. that's one of the reasons i like you. i think unlike most quote, unquote major civil rights organizations today you oppose racial discrimination in all forms. so i want to ask you, is reverse racism still racism? >> thank you for the question, senator. i don't even use the term reverse racism. it's just racism to discriminate on the basis of race. >> i agree with you. >> and do civil right protections apply to all races? >> in my view yes they do, senator. >> okay, in my view we have to root out this wokism and this discrimination that's been under the cultural marxism of dei, you have seen this play out in the privateer sector as well. title 7 prohibits employment based on sex, national origin. does target practice raise flags for you. >> i believe the practice is illegal and unconstitutional. >> one of the things that i find fascinating from the last administration against companies like spacex,