and duffy pushed back on that. and, you know, that was that was one of the many back and forths. >> amazing reporting per yu zhang by maggie haberman. thanks so much for joining us. let's bring in our political panel in. we have with us former chief of staff for senator mitch mcconnell, brian mcguire, with me in studio, cnn political commentator karen finney. karen, what's what's your first of all, thank god for maggie and jonathan. it's always good to know what's actually going on. and good for rubio and duffy for standing up for themselves and for the facts. and again, good for president trump for listening to them. what's your what's your reaction? >> it's not surprising because when, you know, when doge started, we didn't. >> have the cabinet secretaries. >> in place. and they're now there and they're realizing. >> they're accountable. >> i mean, i would imagine sean duffy is feeling like, wait a second, i'm accountable for making sure that for air safety, i can't do that effectively. if you're just. >> going.

duffy said. i have multiple plane crashes to deal with right now, and your people want me to fire air traffic controllers. mr. musk told mr. duffy that this assertion was a lie. mr. duffy insisted it was not. he had heard it directly from them, mr. musk asking who had been fired. give me their names, tell me their names. mr. duffy said there were not any names because he had stopped them from being fired. at another point, mr. musk insisted that people hired under diversity, equity and inclusion programs were working in control towers. mr. duffy pushed back. mr. musk did not add details. end quote. all right, let's see how trump quickly reined in elon musk. quote. the exchange ended with mr. trump telling mr. duffy that he had to hire people from mit as air traffic controllers. these air traffic controllers need to be geniuses, he said. end quote, the unelected billionaire berating trump's senate confirmed cabinet secretary would die boogeyman and accusing that secretary of straight up lying. and

duffy that his assertion was a lie. mr. duffy insisted it was not. from them directly. at another point, mr. musk insisted that people hired under diversity, equity and inclusion programs were working in control towers. mr. duffy pushed back and mr. musk did not add details, but said during the longer back and forth that mr. duffy had his phone number should call him if he had any issues to raise. the exchange ended with mr. trump telling mr. duffy that he had to hire people from mit as air traffic controllers. these air traffic controllers need to be geniuses, he said. oh, there's so much there. and it's not just cabinet members who are starting to have some unease about musk and his methods. joining me now is someone who's been closely tracking musk's illegal assaults on the american government. josh marshall, founder and editor in chief of talking points memo. josh, you've been you've been reporting on this at your great outlet, your great independent journalistic outlet, which is doing great work. talking points memo. thank you. and i feel like y

duffy rebuffed him, saying he had it firsthand. musk, defending himself, eventually saying he had three companies with a market cap of tens of billions of dollars and that his results spoke for themselves, are deeply sourced. white house insiders lead us off tonight. the washington post isaac arnsdorf and coauthor of the upcoming book, 2024 how trump retook the white house and the democrats lost america, along with politico's sophia cai and semaphores shelby talcott. thank you all for being here on this friday night. all right, isaac, i'm going to begin with you. republicans have privately bristled at musk's influence for weeks. that has been reported over and over again by just about everybody. but what do you think of what exploded in that room between some of trump's cabinet and musk? >> well, i think the key thing is what you were describing with trump watching a tennis match. i mean, we have to distinguish between other people around trump being frustrated with musk and trump himself, who is very comfortable with conflict. it'

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duffy. his assertion was a lie. mr. duffy insisted it was not. he had heard it from them directly.t sounds like, based on their reporting, it was these two willing to take on musk, and then everybody else kept their mouths shut after that. but what do you make of it? >> there probably. >> are. >> more people. >> with. >> objections than voiced them, and as long as the point was being made, they was taking care of it. and i think you have to give president trump credit for having an environment where people could take take on each other and challenge it. i mean, this is a very healthy situation in many ways. i mean, i don't know, the last cabinet meeting joe biden had, i think jill biden chaired it. and so to see this actual voice, voice of clash going on is right. president trump's critics have also said you need to let the subject matter experts weigh in. that's what sean duffy is saying. they've said you need a scalpel. that's what president trump said. so this process is maturing is what i would call it. >> congressman. >> there is nothing. normal or professional or competent ab

secretary duffy allowed doge to hand out pink slip. that should set off alarm bells for every member of the committee concerned about maintaining the gold standard in aviation safety. as my colleagues have mentioned here today, recent firings of faa -- at the faa targeted some safety specialists, including members of professional aviation. can you briefly speak to the importance of these individuals who were fired and the impact it has on aviation safety? >> thank you for the question and for recognizing our folks we represent. i brought up a few of them here today but i will talk about another handful of people, telecommunications specialists. some of them were fired as probationary employees. they have a specific field of expertise and mr. daniels was talking about the telecommunications issues, they have a specific field of expertise when it comes to internet protocol and of course the agency is going through a transition right now, trying to get out from time zoning and that is causing them a problem and a lot of money. in the mids

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duffy said.ple plane crashes to deal with now, and your people want me to fire air traffic controllers?' mr. musk told mr. duffy that his assertion was a lie. mr. duffy insisted it was not. he had heard it from them directly." this suggests that it's not just democrats who are concerned about the speed and intensity of these cuts. jonathan: what's interesting about this story is that, in some ways, it gives me a level of relief that on the surface they seem to be lockstep with the president, lockstep with elon musk, but, behind the scenes, they are doing the business of governing. elon musk is an unelected person who is wielding a wrecking ball through the federal government, and air traffic controllers, the people who are safeguarding the nuclear stockpile, researching bird flu. there's no nuance. there's no scalpel here. and i think it's too late for the president to say, oh, please go with the scalpel. how can you use a scalpel on an organization that's been ripped to shreds? geoff: here's wha

duffy has said less than 400 probationary employees were fired. none of which were critical safety personnel or air traffic controllers. but dave sparrow, the professional aviation safety specialist president says any staff reduction complicates work for controllers. we all have to take on more responsibilities it every single day in washington. i'm jessi tenure. >> the vatican says pope francis is condition remains stable, stable as he is continuing to battle pneumonia. the pope was admitted to a hospital in rome on february 14th for a respiratory infection. that developed into double pneumonia. he's had some setbacks sense, but he has improved. doctors, though, are cautioning that his situation is still complex and he's being monitored closely. church officials say the pope was able to carry out some work-related activities. today, though. >> all right. let's talk weather as we take a live look there. mount diablo still green after all these days. yeah, beautiful out there. and if you're looking to maybe go somewhere else this weekend, lawrence'

duffy pushed back on that. this is directly contradictory to what elon musk said just this week, saying doge has pushed to hire, not fire, air traffic controllers. not according to sean duffy. >> look, ultimately, the president is the arbiter of the the executive branch policy, and the president has made it clear. and the secretary duffy, made it clear that they're going to continue hiring faa air traffic controllers, not firing them. but bigger picture the idea of rivalries and little, you know, shouting matches amongst executives in the executive branch is not unique to this administration. it's not unique to any governor or any mayor in any part of this country or foreign leaders. that's the norm. and i was actually with a cabinet member over the weekend last weekend, and i talked to him about the relationships on the cabinet, and he actually shocked me. he said, you know, before going into this administration, i prescribed to the idea of a team of rivals. i read the book and i thought, this is the way thing

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>> sean duffy the transportation secretary, had a pretty contentious back and forth with musk. he accused musk of trying to fire air traffic controllers in in the midst of what is a crisis for the faa. musk said that that was a lie and demanded names, and duffy said there there aren't names because i stopped this from happening. >> it got worse from there. enter secretary of state marco rubio. the times reports that rubio had been reportedly stewing for weeks, ever since musk shut down usaid. during this meeting, rubio was incensed as elon musk accused him of failing to slash his staff. but rubio wasn't having it. he accused musk of not being truthful and sarcastically asked if musk wanted him to rehire the 1500. state department officials, who took buyouts just so he could make a show of firing them again. musk pushed back. he told rubio he was good on tv, the implication being good on tv, but not much else now i'm wondering what trump was doing during this entire dustup. well, apparently not much. >> the president said very little during this meeting. he mostly just watched t

also calling duffy's assertion a quote, lie. president trump, according to the reporting, watched all of this like a tennis match, finally reining in musk and defending rubio and telling musk they've all got to work together. outfront now, kate bedingfield and former minnesota governor tim pawlenty. well, governor, this is this is serious and important stuff, but this is a good tale. this is the kind of story that brings you in. it's riveting. reported by two of the top reporters at the new york times. right. jonathan swan, maggie haberman, was it only a matter of time before before this happened? i mean, and are you surprised to hear that it happened at this point? >> well, once president trump makes a decision, it's incumbent upon his cabinet to follow that decision and execute it or resign. but before then, they owe the president, particularly in a cabinet setting, an honest, authentic, open exchange of ideas. and finally, aaron, finally, some republican leaders other than president trump are not cowering and they're speaking

duffy his assertion was a lie. and throughout all of this, the times reports that a president who, of course, used to do pretend board room meetings on his reality show, trump sat back in his chair, arms folded as if he were watching a tennis match. the meeting ended. trump said that he does support musk's ongoing cuts, but that cabinet members are supposed to run their agencies. and he said something that is actually a restoration of what the rules are supposed to be, and it is a sign of dysfunction. and many experts would say failure, that the president, with all his power, had to say this out loud. i really want to emphasize this because it's extraordinary reporting. that's why we're leaving it up on the screen. the times with quite a scoop here. quote from now on, trump said the secretaries would be in charge. the musk team would only advise translation. that is a demotion for elon musk. and it wasn't musk's only problem. on thursday, he was demoted back to the norm. that's a word that some folks in tech and in

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the times reports secretary duffy also slammed musk's cuts at the faa. quote, mr.controllers. what am i supposed to do? mr. duffy said i have multiple plane crashes to deal with now, and your people want me to fire air traffic controllers. musk said that was a lie. according to the report. come on now. trump has denied any clashes between musk and his cabinet, but said he told cabinet secretaries that staffing decisions will be left up to them, and he's calling for a more careful approach to mass layoffs. in a social media post, trump instructed secretaries to use, quote, the scalpel rather than the hatchet. can't use a scalpel on ground beef. joining me now, former congressman joe walsh from illinois and host of the podcast the social contract. and neera tanden, president and ceo of the center for american progress and former domestic policy advisor to president biden. thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. okay, neera, of the three of us here at the table, you're the only one who's actually worked in the white house. >> i've been in cabinet mee

duffy his assertion was a lie. and throughout all of this, the times reports that a president who, of course, used to do pretend board room meetings on his reality show, trump sat back in his chair, arms folded as if he were watching a tennis match. the meeting ended. trump said that he does support musk's ongoing cuts, but that cabinet members are supposed to run their agencies. and he said something that is actually a restoration of what the rules are supposed to be, and it is a sign of dysfunction. and many experts would say failure, that the president, with all his power, had to say this out loud. i really want to emphasize this because it's extraordinary reporting. that's why we're leaving it up on the screen. the times with quite a scoop here. quote from now on, trump said the secretaries would be in charge. the musk team would only advise translation. that is a demotion for elon musk. and it wasn't musk's only problem. on thursday, he was demoted back to the norm. that's a word that some folks in tech and in

your cabinet meeting with elon musk and clashes potentially between secretary rubio and secretary duffy. >> no clash, i was there. you're just a troublemaker and you're not supposed to be asking that question, we're talking about the world cup. elon gets along great with marco. they're both doing a fantastic job. >> reporter: but sources say they did push back on musk, accusing him of firing their employees without any consideration whether letting them go was a good idea, in terms of maintaining quality and critical staff. just yesterday, president trump placed new limits on musk's downsizing, saying cabinet secretaries will be in charge. using a scalpel, not a hatchet. >> i don't want a big cut where a lot of good people are cut. >> reporter: musk huddled with congressional republicans, many supporting his mission to slash the federal bureaucracy. >> my thinking on musk is a rock star. the tofu crowd is mad. but when you trim fat, pigs squeal. that's just the way the world works. >> reporter: tonight the trump administration is also responding to recent campus confrontations over gaza

and whether you get, you know, duffy trump, you know, you know, out there. >> rachel campos-duffy. >>s-duffy, yes. >> all of that. you know, pushing this stuff out there. it's crazy. >> well. >> but can we actually listen can we. >> listen to. >> it, michael. >> because i think we're going to talk about a nobel peace prize. >> i think i think listening to the way they are trying to turn this around is worth doing. >> take a listen. >> we'll talk. >> about it. >> on the other side. >> the most. >> important point. >> that donald trump. >> made in this whole thing, he. >> said, you. >> are. >> gambling with world war three. this was about peace. ultimately, i think. what's remarkable is that we. >> have a president. >> who is. >> willing to do. >> anything to bring about world peace. man. >> if he doesn't get the if he doesn't get the nobel peace prize. >> after this, that thing, it means nothing. >> i mean, get you get you a very well. kroft. good looking trump. upper middle class lady to flip. >> it and reverse it. >> to flip it and reverse for you, honey. i we love to see it. >> so,

sean duffy says he stopped that from happening. we've seen people at the veterans crisis line fired, then rehired. we've seen people investigating pandemics, infectious diseases fired, then rehired. beyond that, as as musk takes his chainsaw to the government, as you know, about 30% of our federal workforce in the united states, about 30% are veterans. and a majority of that 30% are disabled veterans. meanwhile, the va is also preparing to slash up to 70,000 va jobs, providing critical services to veterans. you're a veteran. you served honorably in the navy. are you concerned about that well, step one is i very much appreciate anybody that served. >> my dad did all four combat jumps with the 82nd airborne in the second world war. i had the opportunity to serve in the navy. i'm very appreciative. when i became governor of florida, unemployment with veterans was way higher than our unemployment, and we worked every day to make sure we got that below our unemployment rate. and we did. it took us about a year or so. so what we here's w

let's bring in sean duffy, secretary of transportation. your debut. >> happy to be with you. >> john: the administration is taking steps to boost funding and staffing, which has been plagued by short staffing for years. anyone who has ever been waiting for a flight to hear people say well, it is an air traffic control situation, knows that all too well. here is what the administration is doing in part. best and brightest through a merit-based process, increase salaries, go to the academy, streamline hiring, five-step process. all that aside, mr. secretary, it still takes a couple of years to get somebody up and running in terms of air traffic controlling. how quickly can any of this happen? >> it's going to take four or five months to get to the academy. a few years to be trained up in a tower depending on where your scent. it can take up to two years before you get approval to go to the academy. a lot of young people find a new career in the two years, so streamlining the process, so you take the test, and if you score well, we are going

but the two sources say rubio and duffy did push back on musk, accusing him of firing their employeeson for whether letting them go was a good idea in terms of maintaining quality and critical staff. president trump placed new limits on musk's downsizing, saying cabinet secretaries will now be in charge using a scalpel instead of a hatchet. i don't want to see a big cut where a lot of good people are cut. musk recently huddled with congressional republicans. we're making good progress. many supporting his mission to slash the federalureaucracy. i think elon musk is a rock star. the tofu crowd is mad. but you know, when you trim, fat, pigs squeal. that's just the way the world works. the trump administration is also responding to recent campus confrontations over gaza, canceling about $400 million in federal grants to columbia university over what it says is the school's continued inaction in the face of persistent harassment of jewish students. jewish student eaton jagger says she's feared for her safety. i have been screamed at on campus. i have friends that have been physically assa

, excuse me, and elon musk, which, of course, duffy oversees the faa. but in regards to a previous launch, january's flight seven and thursday's flight eight were both allowed. both allowed, as you mentioned, starship to travel over the atlantic and caribbean before exploding near populated islands. but thursday's explosion happened before the faa could complete its investigation into the january explosion. is that a concern to you, especially when flying over populated areas, or is it just a necessary hazard of sort of that rapid iterative development that spacex has embraced for a while? >> well, spacex is amazing. the success they've had is amazing. and what they've done with the falcon nine rocket and the dragon capsule is my hats are off. i really admire them, and it makes me proud to be an american, to see this american company so successful. but like i said, when the ceo of the company also has, you know, almost complete control over the entire government and can boss the faa around and tell them to fire. air traffic controllers, when we're havin

secretary duffy's big concern. >> is his department is. >> being gutted. he's been, you know, dealing with these crashes ever since he was sworn in. does he have a legitimate concern? >> well, that has nothing to do with the department that has. it was a small plane and that would have happened whether you had a big department or a small department, as you understand. it's just they're in a they have space like this, you know, they have times when things happen a little bit more often than normal. and then it goes back and you go many years without having a problem. i'll tell you, i think the southwest pilot did a fantastic job last week when he lifted that plane off the air, because if he put the brakes on, that wouldn't have been good. and i think the license should be maybe revoked for the plane that got in away from the pilot, revoked for the plane that got in its way. but the way he immediately stepped in the gas and lifted up, as opposed to, you know, thinking for about three seconds when it would have been too late. the southwest pilot or pilots wer

transportation secretary sean duffy weighing in on x to write these bird strikes are not too uncommon in damage to planes. he also praised the pilots of this fedex plane writing on x, quote, video9 from the incident shows the quick-thinking pilots returning the plane to land safely while the engine is on fire. my if thanks and admiration go out to them for their professional aism and execution under extreme pressure. but this scare, as you mentioned, comes on the heels of three fatal a plane crashes at the start of the year and other close calls in the sky. i mean, we remember this from the chicago. this has all left people on high alert. so secretary duffy pointed to pilot error as playing a role in the majority of the recent plane crashes, and he said this during an interview with nbc news just this week. jon? jon: c.b.9 cotton reporting from our newsroom, thanks. >>> new mexico authorities appear to remain baffled by the deaths of oscar-winning actor gene hackman and his wife in their home. officials say the couple tested negative for carbon monoxide if poisoning, and the santa fe

duffy has said less than 400 probationary employees were fired. none of which were critical safety personnel or air traffic controllers. but dave sparrow, the professional aviation safety specialist president says any staff reduction complicates work for controllers. we all have to take on more responsibilities it every single day in washington. i'm jessi tenure. >> all right. let's take a live look here at phoenix raceway the track where nascar crowns its champion each november. and this is where the nascar xfinity series will roll into this weekend for the 4th race of the season. and you can watch the race right here on kron 4 tomorrow afternoon, defending champ justin allgaier will go for his 3rd title at phoenix and cup driver. alex bowman is on his home track. our coverage begins at one 30 tomorrow afternoon. still ahead on kron, 4 news at 4. governor newsom says trends athletes playing in women's sports. >> it's deeply unfair after the break, we'll speak with political analyst michael yaki. >> about newsom's break from the democratic party o

representative duffy would you please share what happened with your son. >> july 27, 2022, i lost my oldest son to suicide. we quickly found he was being extorted online and a female at another college requested images to be shared back and forth and as soon as he shared those images, he took his life. hour and 40 minutes from the time he was caughted until the time he took list life. at that time, i never heard of the crime of sextortion. i was always a more liberty-minded politician. i hate to say that word. and i wanted freedom as much as possible. but as i started looking into this i saw big tech operates of big tobacco of today's generation. the account that targeted my son that caused him to take his life was taken down online when homeland security reached out however they left the additional account up. if i send a friend request, i can choose this account, yet they left the other accounts up and other accounts began to extorted my 14-year-old, my 16-year-old son who just lost his brother and myself as well, did i tell you that your son begged for his life. from that day alfo

sean duffy.oliticcs for e cabinet secretaries too because they have skin in the game here. if there's a crisis or an accident on their watch and their weighing, elon doesn't take the hit. they do. >> i think for republicans, we're $36 trillion in debt. i think a lot of americans voted for donald trump because they wanted this man to clean up government. i think in a lot of ways this is good. the big question i have is, you know, thursday, friday, we're going to have a vote on a continuing resolution that will be funding government at its current levels. refunding the things that elon musk and doge has been cutting. i think congress needs to codify these cuts if we want them more permanent than a show. >> what was put out last night, there are a lot of things zeroed out, the cops program for police, the toxic waste program that was for veterans who were affected by burn pits and what not. zeroed out. many programs, 22 line items zeroed out. i think the situation on the cuts, what elon musk has cut

he also took aim at transportation secretary sean duffy, saying that duffy. duffy, taking aim at musk. i should say that doge has attempted to cut air traffic controllers after a number of major plane crashes, but all of this trump making clear that he is willing to impose some limits on musk and saying that it is the cabinet members who have the right to determine their department agency's staffing. of course, all of this quite notable as elon musk joined the president on his way to palm beach just this weekend on air force one. but we should note that asked about these changes, the president really downplayed any tension at that meeting, saying that there was no no dispute at all. jessica. >> all right. betsy klein, for us in west palm beach, thank you so much for that. let's talk more about these tariffs for a minute. the president was asked about the uncertainty surrounding his ever changing tariff policy during an interview with fox business yesterday. here's what he said. ceos want to. see predictability. they say, look, i have to speak with shareholder

and trying to eliminate air traffic controllers through doge, and duffy pushed back, saying, we can't do that since there's been a number of major plane crashes in recent weeks. of course, ultimately, president trump making clear that he is willing to place some limits on elon musk as he told his cabinet that they have the final say over their staffing levels. but asked about this new york times reporting, the president said there was no clash. and even today, just moments ago, issuing a statement on social media, he says elon and marco have a great relationship. any statement other than that is fake news. of course. jessica, we should note that elon musk was among the very small group of advisers traveling with the president here to palm beach on air force one last night. >> and betsy, there is also been on these tariffs so much back and forth on what is happening, what's being paused, what's being enacted, what are you learning about the new tariffs kicking in on products from canada next week? >> yeah, it's really been a week of whiplash on the topic of tariffs. and president trump

duffy also got into it with musk over firing air traffic controllers. trump just lets his guys hash it out, and once everybody said their piece, trump laid the ground rules. the cabinet secretaries are in charge of firings. musk can recommend firings, but he can't do them himself. and trump doesn't want to hear any more about it. >> some details have come out about your cabinet meeting with elon musk and some clashes, potentially between secretary rubio and secretary duffy. >> no clash, i was there. you're just a troublemaker and you're not supposed to be asking that question because we're talking about the world cup, but elon gets along great with marco and they're both doing a fantastic job. there is no clash. >> mr. president, who bottom line. >> who are you? who are. >> you with? nbc? >> no wonder. >> mr. president nbc, who has more authority elon musk or your cabinet secretaries. >> any other questions about the world cup? >> jordan belfort is an entrepreneur and the original wolf of wall street. all right. so when you were in business, you still a

he's on the duffy plan. every two years. are you on board? makes you young.: if i'm on the duffy plan, i'll be having kids till i'm 60 but that's okay. rachel: it'll make steve happy. he's like the most proud grandpa i know. charlie: check in with adam live at daytona international speedway for the start of 84th annual daytona bike week. reporter: good morning, guys. it's bike week. we're are a bunch of children out here and this is our candy store. our candy is the motorcycles and part of bike week and one of the most exciting things is all the different manufacturers come out here and do demo rides. i'm at honda demo right now. these are all riders from all across the country that wanted to ride here in a demo. my man here is from florida. he loves hondas. i've got to get out of the way and let them go. they're waiting for me. we'll have more "fox & friends" after the break, but you guys can take off. enjoy yourselves, boys. (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief.

people who play mission critical roles, who that doge people did not realize that as much like sean duffy was talking about he has plan crashes on his hands including first commercial plane crash in america in 20 years. and now you're telling me to cut air traffic controllers because they're all dei hires. so i think that these cabinet members, they didn't work their entire years their careers to get there. and then just be told by a 25-year-old elon musk hey, this is how we should run your agency because those people have not been senate confirmed, and they're not part of the cabinet so i think -- these cabinet members are getting the spine to say hey this is not a sustainable work arrangement i need to be in charge of my own agency and trump is the person who gave me that trust. not all of doge taking over. >> and it did seem that president trump backed that and did say the cabinet members would be making the decisions with input from elon musk is i believe what he said. but look they are saving money right if you believe -- all of these cuts -- are adding up to a large amount of money

sean duffy is like, when it comes to transportation, goes through me. that was a concern, if you come through me, i understand, i don't want people here that we don't need. after meeting with secretary duffy, he put out an x post that said if you are retired air traffic controller, we need you back, that only happens when you have communication with secretaries. >> ainsley: people worry how it will affect their district. congressman van orden, big farming community, veterans live there, he want them to be taken care of. listen to this. >> there is a lot of angst because people don't understand what is going on. i expressed clearly the concerns of the veterans community and mr. musk was explicitly clear we will make sure we have no degradation of the benefits of veterans they earned and he brought up specific issues with programs that are critical to make sure farms stay relevant. and people don't quite understand that a farm, they call it factory farming, it is not like manufacturing and you can't start and stop a farm. you can't ask a cow to quit m mil

just a side note, when you see sean duffy, sean duffy went up as transparortation secretary a made themis hand. he looked at al green and said, a conversation. he was waving his cane screaming full voice during the speech. who raised this guy? >> ainsley: he was removed for heckling the president, the speaker said, you're out. there were moments where democrats refused to clap and these are moments that should be every american should be proud of and happy for, including capturing isis terrorist that mamaster minded abbey gate attack and injured 40 others and what about the young boy fighting cancer he was 13 years old and wanted to be a police officer. donald trump made him a secret service agent and gave him a badge. he was hugging his dad and dad lifted him up. that was not a moment worthy of a clap from democrats? there were a few others, too. >> steve: when you were talking to katie pavlich, called president of the united states and asked for his reaction. he said it was horrible, no matter what i said, they will never stand, never clap, never do anything, worse than it ever was. d

there is seth duffy -- i'm so sorry, sean duffy. transportation.ere senator adam schiff sitting with senator from -- yup, the new senator from delaware, lisa rochester. we had carol from illinois. we have angela alsobrooks, maryland. jasmine: kamala harris was the second. peter: kamala harris, of course. jasmine: interchangeably. peter: there is kristi noem, who is talking there with the congressman from new jersey. jason: that's tim burchett from tennessee. peter: there we go. is that brooke rawlins, the ag secretary. jason: it is sort of odd to have something like this when we so much pay attention to the fashion because of the protests and so forth having just on the oscars two nights ago. jasmine: not quite the same. jason: but there is a lot more power. peter: nobody in the world cares what you or i are wearing. [laughter] last year, joe biden took at least a half-hour to get out of the chamber. it was a moment for him, politically, that boosted him, that got rid of some of the rumors of mental decline, etc. he worked that room for a half an h

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sean duffy was referenced in that article, referenced a dispute about firing air traffic controllers who have immense training, a long training system. it's not easy to become an air traffic controller, which is why we don't have enough. and musk is disputing with him conversations that he had. elon musk. anderson is trying to do to the federal government what he did to twitter. but the federal government is not a business. and those revenues and those programs that the federal government has are what people rely on. and elon musk is going to hurt a lot of people because he does not care about anything other than lining his own pockets. >> there's no way if you are actually looking for waste, fraud and abuse and trying to figure out what employees are doing a good job, what employees are not, there's no way you can do that in the amount of time that elon musk and his team of of, you know, cyber kids and, you know, people in their early 20s have just gone in there. i mean, there's probably ways to do that in an organized way based on institutional knowledge. it doesn't seem like that'

cnn business writer clare duffy is with us now. claire, what more can you tell us about these reports? >> yeah, brianna, we have seen a number of these reports that suggest that doge is either considering or is actually using artificial intelligence to guide what programs, what staff. it's cutting. just yesterday, democracy forward, a left leaning nonprofit, said it is initiating an investigation into doj's use of a.i. and so i wanted to hear from experts what they thought about this kind of use of artificial intelligence, because, of course, i can have efficiency benefits. it can process large amounts of data very quickly. but experts also said there are serious risks here, in part because of the speed and scale at which i can make things happen. we know that a.i. systems can be biased. that could affect who loses jobs. for example, wired reported that doge was considering using a.i. to evaluate those email responses, asking federal workers to send five bullet points about what they had accomplished. musk pushed back on that, but

and duffy.accusing him of firing their employees without any consideration for whether letting them go was a good idea. >> so we heard donald trump say what happened? but a number of people suggest otherwise. does the level of frustration inside that cabinet, as reported surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me, but i want to be very clear. i think donald trump one day is going to toss elon musk to the side, because right now, elon suits his purpose, right? cut as much as you can from the federal workforce. don't give they don't give a damn about it. and then what he's going to do when it starts dragging down his poll numbers, he's going to say, i didn't do it. it was all elon musk. and but at the same time, those tensions, i'm not surprised because, remember, marco rubio was a more of a traditional republican until he got into that, into that cabinet. this is the guy that also authored legislation to prevent nato from the president from withdrawing from nato without a two thirds vote from the se