but there is very much a strain that found with khrushchev, gorbachev and yeltsin. in recent ruston -- russian history there are movements which get cut off because they are not strong enough. so for me it is a hope that the democratic side of russia would emerge after putin and in that democratic side emerges a gorbachev type leader who will reach out to the west and find in the west a friendly hand and ready to help the east. it is the same planet and we have to share it and find a way to do that without war. without a small war becoming a big war, you have to be incredibly careful. host: this is marianne in the keystone state, republican. good morning. caller: good morning. guest: good morning. caller: i have a question about the cuban missile crisis. i only heard it once that khrushchev took the missiles out of cuba because we, the united states, agreed to remove missiles that we had pointed at russia. and that's why it was settled so quickly. is there any truth to that? guest: there is some truth to that, yes ma'am. we had known for a long time now that the uni

but nobody seems to remember, gorbachev will go up the mania about him and his idea of a common european home. um you know, whichever, whichever one was of july, sorry about that. of course in his late he is going to trust. i mean, he strangely criticized booted but he also mentioned that you come to the west, so betrayed that vision and roughly, i think. but of course when it comes to your pin publics, well, what can you expect? look person. i mean, it's the bbc am the times i'm the daily tyler growth. and even they've gone to a unit and the magazines all in say exactly the same thing and the read basically getting back to from government funded. think turning, switch all unanimous on the same subject. you know, i mean, you come expect probably people to know any better. they, they all mean that's the thing. so we talk about russian misinformation of books by different parts of goals. but even if you look at britain today, um, you know, they're in a sense, there is no public debate. there is no public serious public discussion about british interests, british priorities, international r

i promise was made to mikko gorbachev than exchange -- in exchange for german drug -- german reunificationin a presence in germany as part of nature but there would be no extension of nato's jurisdiction for forces of nature 1 inch to the east. did that happen? let's fast forward and take a look at what has happened with nato in the last several years. into his thin nato signed in 1949. the operative part of nature began after the collapse of the soviet union. in 1999 they don't it began its expansion under bill clinton to the east. and welcomed in the czech republic a cut concrete, in poland. importantly, in 2004 bulgaria, estonia, latvia, romania, slovakia, slovenia joined in a toe. money sharing director borders with russia. in 2009 albania and corporation are joint in 2017 month and a goal in 2023 again assuring a border with russia finland joint in a toe. and last year finland welcomed in sweden. it has been argued that no matter the president of russia, vladimir putin or anyone else, they would see this expansion of nato to the east as a threat of their security and russia so who is.

gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> martha: an incredible moment and that was the beginning of the tumblingthe wall literally and figuratively and for ukraine it was the beginning of their freedom and the establishment of their country in 1991. and now we find ourselves here. compare reagan in this situation and trump although obviously we understand there is a war going on and there are differences but we know that president trump admires him. >> very different personalities but using the same foreign policy because they are focusing on what is good, our technology. the reason reagan was able to win the cold war was we had a military match, we matched them on an arms basis and then targeting the soviet economy. they could no longer work on the international banking system to borrow money for example. in addition to that and the most important, russia relies on all of this income that comes from exported oil revenues. the price of oil was $40 per barrel in the reagan administration and reagan through various actions push that down to $18 per barrel. what did that do? it cut their revenue st