now, the average gsa worker, keep in mind, makes just $8,000. more than that. writer at wired. and the reporter on that piece, kate knibbs. great to have you here. really, really interesting report you have here. so, of course, musk has talked a lot about doj's transparency. how did you dig into these numbers? was it transparent? it was actually quite. >> difficult to find. >> this information. >> and i hope. >> that they do. >> decide to. >> make all of the. >> salaries transparent. >> in keeping. with what. they profess. they want the agency to be like. >> right now. >> there's still so much that we don't know, but we were able to find out some of the salaries. >> and it was. >> really interesting. because when elon musk was first. talking about what he thought doge. >> would. >> be like, he said that there wouldn't be any compensation. and we do know that some of the. >> more visible. >> doge employees. >> that were there. >> from. the beginning. like edward big balls, coristine they are drawing. they aren't drawing a. salary from their work at gsa, but now

they have not been in sync with gsa and opm about the disposal of these properties. that is a problem. host: brac commission for the military side? is there such thing as a brac for federal? guest: that's what this legislation was for, to create this commission that was separate from the government. they were to identify properties that could be sold. they had to turn the list over to omb and gsa. they then had to agree and execute on the list. often, they did not agree. as a result, there were not that many properties disposed of. there is a last round growth -- going on right now. but this is a big problem. one thing that we have got them to do is to get out of a lot of costly leasing over time. they need to continue to improve that. the deferred maintenance on these buildings have grown extension will he. there's also security concerns, another reason they are on the high-risk list. if we did testing of trying to get through items through the security guards, and we were able to be successful, this is with batons and other sharp instruments. the security of the bu

later, the gsa scaled back that list, removing all the properties in washington, d.c. by wednesday, the list was completely removed from the site. the gsa plans to republish the list soon after it receives more input. >> all right, so just moments ago, president trump announced he is lifting tariffs on some of those tariffs on canada. and earlier today he did the same for mexican goods. in a pause that will last for weeks, the president says it's because of economic fears from a trade war. joining us is uc berkeley politics professor vinny agarwal. to break down what this means for the ongoing trade war and for americans here at home. good afternoon to you, vinny. >> good afternoon to you. >> so first of all, can i get your reaction to the latest pullback here. now on canadian goods. there is a pause on tariffs on goods from that country as well. what's your reaction to that. >> well i'd like to think that two days ago president trump was listening to your news broadcast and saw the reason of not going after canada and mexico, since he was the one who developed usmca i

we've talked about gsa and the frustration with cbp and gsa facilities that organize were gsa has put in a $14,000 urinal or where they sold the parking lot to a dollar to a local committee only to a couple years have to buy it back for $1 million on it. the challenge they had were cbpo said we need more lanes and the gsa decides a building that has fewer lanes of increasing this is based on their design. we've got to figure out how to do it with the waste but implement policy quickly. what would you do to help the committees on the grant and leadership on the ground efficiently people to do the mission? >> thank you, senator. i would start first of all having the opportunity to be in cfo for dhs looking all 23 components, the one manger talk about cbp. right now your organization is focused on immigration and border security mission. if confirmed to be the deputy secretary i would work better with cbp but i.c.e. the facilities you're talking about could be leveraged in the same thing isis boniva 100,000 detention beds. cbp has potentially availability within soft sided tents. my job

we talked about gsa and the frustration in facilities that organize where gsa has put in a $14,000 urinal where they have sold a parking lot for a dollar to the local community only to a couple years have to buy it back. the challenges they had where they said we need more lanes and the gsa designs a building that has fewer lanes. we've got to be able to figure out waste but also to implement policy quickly. what would you do to be able to help the communities on the ground and the leadership on the ground efficiently be able to do the mission? >> thank you senator. first of all having the opportunity and looking at all 23 components that ones were talking about i think right now the organization is very focused on immigration border security mission. and i think if confirmed to be the debbie secretary i would work not only with cbp but i think the facilities were talking about could potentially be leveraged in the same vein that ice will need, cbp has potential availability. my job if confirmed as the debbie secretary is to make sure we are not being wasteful that we are being responsibl

complex housing. >> a cia. >> facility was. >> on. >> gsa's list of. >> u.s.threats are. >> coming. >> in part from. >> its sheer incompetence within? >> yeah, the threat is inside the house. and that's that's more than anything else. my takeaway from what's happening right now that, you know, these institutions like the cia, for example, they just indiscriminately going after their there is no thought process involved here. because if there were, then you would know that that building over there is not something that you just want to put up for sale. right. but because it's on a list of other assets that the government has, and you're in the business of proving how much money you can save for whatever you want to spend that money on, the list is made up, that building is on the list, and people inside the agency. and this is the thing, more than anything else, that donald trump really wanted to put in place. the people inside the agency now don't fear, feel that they can say, wait a minute, tom, you can't do that. >> yes. >> that's that's the ultimate end gam

and billions of funding from the department of education, department of health and human services, gsa the gamut it is one small piece of the pie all under the leadership of president trump. to attack this problem and make america safe again. >> so certainly a lot on the table for these uc schools we're going to be following this story for sure. i do want to sandwich gears quickly, though, and ask you about the supreme court decision this week. the supreme court backed an order forcing the administration to pay two billion dollars in frozen foreign aid money. what is the justice department's reaction to that? this is surprising ruling to some. >> anita -- yeah. it was surprising. listen we're certainly disappointed i would encourage people to read justice alito's desent in that case never seen a strong desent or a vision take down of a district court judge that's exactly what was appropriate here. we have an activist judge and ddc, who is working against the administration and forcing us to put out potentially billions of dollars that are not going to be recoverable because these organ

the gsa saying "knowing and ensuring taxpayer dollars not spent on vacant or underutilized space is disposingthe assets helps eliminate costly maintenance and allows us to invest in high-quality work environments that support agency mission." the move could save $440 million in annual operating cost alone not including the revenue from the sale. to put the democrats protest federal workers being laid off and let go and what americans they are ma next. >> is musk and his friends can arbitrarily throw federal workers out on the street today, what do you think that musk and fellow billionaires will be doing tomorrow? do you think they will give a damn about you and your families? no, they will treat you exactly the same way they treat federal employees today. you will be out on the street as well. >> harris, elon musk will be on capitol hill this evening to meet with house republicans to give an update on doge that cuts they are finding and answer questions, harris. >> harris: we are learning elon musk is also expected that the senate lunch today. he is making his rounds on capitol hill. hillary

the gsa listed a total of 443 federal buildis for closure. trump administration claims they are being underutilized and wants to sell them, and then lease office space for federal workers. >> groups holding know your rights workshops are drawing criticism from the trump administration for informing undocumented immigrants of their constitutional rights. abc seven news reporter leah melendez explains just what's being said at these workshops. >> new signs are going up at a few bay area businesses. they simply state restricted area employees. only. those four words can prevent immigration enforcement agents from arresting and undocumented worker. >> urging folks to print a sign that says staff only beyond this point. basically, the area that would not be accessible by any of your customers. so like your kitchen area. >> laura valdes of mission action explains what the sign means to those san francisco business owners concerned about immigration raids. >> should ice come to your location? the only space that they are allowed to come in without a

if you look at the usda change from that granting, it is in addition to gsa, the general services administration. at the department of education, thousands are waiting to see if they will be fired. then you put in those 6000 that have been ordered to have their jobs reinstated as i've just reported. altogether, we still have about 31,000 people at least two have been fired. one other important development, this one in trump's favor. a court ruled that the special counsel, he cannot be reinstated for his job all stuff they took him out of that watchdog post and today he announced he's not going to appeal the case because it would just take too long. that is a critical watchdog function and he is out of that job. amna: a lot of court action to keep track of but there is also news about contractors and organizations dealing with the federal funding freezes. lisa: first i want to talk about the freezing of grants and loans. there was a temporary ruling put in place, a judge has said that needs to stay enforced much longer. here is what the judge wrote when he blasted trump's funding freeze. he wrote

so, if you look at that usda change there from that granting, it's in addition to gsa.he general services administration. they have had 600 new firings. at the department of ed, there are thousands waiting tonight to see if they will be fired. now, then you put in the 6,000 that have been ordered to have their jobs reinstated, as i just reported. all together, amna, by my total, we still have about 31,000, at least, people who have been fired. one other important development, this one in trump's favor. last night, a court ruled that a key watchdog, the special counsel we have talked about on this program, hampton dellinger, that, in fact, he cannot be reinstated for his job. they took him out of that watchdog post, and today he announced he's not going to appeal the case because it would just take too long. that's a critical watchdog function. now he's out of that job. amna: there's a lot of court action to keep track of here, but there's also news about contractors and organizations that are dealing with the federal funding freezes. what do we need to know about that?

the gsa listed 443 federal buildings for closure.he trump administration claims they are being underutilized and wants to sell them, and then lease office space for federal workers. >> police in the north bay are investigating the second incident with a weapon in one week on a high school campus. yesterday, santa rosa police arrested an elsie allen high school student with a gun and a folding knife after receiving a tip from another student. this is video from last week, when a fight and an elsie allen classroom ended with 115 year old boy stabbing another multiple times. that student is expected to make a full recovery. >> new developments with fremont's controversial camping ban. the city is now facing a lawsuit. that suit was announced during public comment at last night's city council meeting. a person actually gave the paperwork to the city clerk. the plan passed last month. it bans camping on public property and aiding and abetting homeless encampments. last night, the city council voted to move forward with amending the ordina

the gsa listed 443 federal buildings for closure. the trump administration claims that they are being underutilized, and they want to sell them and then lease office space for federal workers. >> police in the north bay are investigating the second incident with a weapon in one week on a high school campus. yesterday, santa rosa police arrested an elsie allen high school student with a gun and a folding knife after receiving a tip from another student. and this is video from last week, when a fight in an elsie allen classroom ended with 115 year old boy stabbing another multiple times. that student is expected to make a full recovery. >> new developments with fremont's controversial camping ban. the city is now facing a lawsuit over this. the suit was announced during public comment at last night's city council meeting. a person actually gave that paperwork to the city clerk. then the plan passed last month that bans camping on public property and aiding and abetting homeless encampments. last night, the city council voted to move fo

so yesterday the gsa posted a list of 443 properties it was considering for sale, an inventory that ranged from a toll booth in el paso to the fda's research campus in silver spring, maryland. in the next five hours, more than 100 of those 443 properties were removed from the catalog, including the agency headquarters of the department of agriculture, the department of health and human services, the department of justice, the department of labor, and the va. by this morning, less than 24 hours later, the entire list had been removed. quote. the about-face capped a stunning 18 hours that shook federal agencies and threatened already wobbly commercial real estate markets. the sale of some of these properties could have created unique problems. the inventory of properties for disposal included. for example, one specialized satellite facility for the national oceanic and atmospheric administration in maryland, also a three point 1,000,000 square foot fda research lab. also get this, get this. look at this. a northern virginia campus that doesn't appear in federal property records, but has long

the gsa listed 443 federal buildings for closure. the trump administration claims they're being underutilized, and they want to sell them, then lease office space for federal workers. >> in the east bay. there was another freeway shooting today. it happened this morning along 8-80 in oakland. but now law enforcement officials have more tools at their disposal to investigate incidents like this. cameras on many east bay freeways are now operational and recording. abc seven news reporter anser hassan has more. >> just after 10:30 a.m. on tuesday, chp shut down southbound 8-80 near downtown oakland to look for shell casings. chp confirmed to abc seven news that at around 7:30 a.m, a suspect fired off one round at a victim driving on the freeway. the victim was not injured and was able to safely exit the freeway. chp tells abc seven news that there is no known motive, but that it will likely use cameras on the freeway to help in the investigation. >> and what this represents is, finally, the requests of oaklanders have been heard. >> jus

the gsa helped me recognize that i was okay, that i was valid, that i deserved to be celebrated and have a place on this earth. it is important that we continue to do this work. in fact it's my honor that i get to sit in that role that helped me continue to survive and be successful as an active u.s. student. more than one third of our students identify as lgbtq. 83% of them as students of color. these are students who are truly needing help and support. the work that we have done in fact we are the oldest program of its kind in the world is innovative, has been saving lives and is helping people understand that we all deserve a place to be here. i hope that you recognize that this current craven attempt to dehumanize and vilify your community cannot continue with you. >> do not let your vision, values and guardrails think you are not really. >> good evening. my name is richard miller. i'm a third grade teacher at dr. william l cobb elementary school. the first point i want to bring up tonight pertains to one of the district's guardrails that was actually mentioned at the onset of tonigh

this week we saw gsa put out a list of more than 400 buildings. they wanted to cut. you know, that took all of the agencies by surprise. that was a week after omb put out, you know, an email asking all of those federal employees to tell them five things that they did in the past week. and agencies in the next two days scrambled to give other instructions to their employees. right. this is a dynamic that's been building and building for some time now. and you have to ask, you know, if these were two interactions, one with secretary duffy, the other one with rubio that were reported, that did kind of bubble up into the open. how many private frustrations are there from trump's cabinet? >> yeah, i mean, that is a very good point that some of the things that are said privately often don't come out publicly. but now some of them have shelby to you, the breakdown between musk and rubio is particularly noteworthy because of usaid. it was rubio who supposedly took control of the agency, and then musk's team just shut it down. and we saw that extraordinary video of the sign b

and in this case, you know, the gsa has been a place that elon musk's doge group has been very intimately think there's a lot to wonder. the other thing real quick, elon musk has said today that he could turn off ukraine's ability to defend itself based on turning off their starlink access. the idea that somebody in the united states who is a private citizen, could someday do that to the us government is one that i think that there would be a lot of people would have a problem with. >> oh yeah, that's something to ponder over. okay. jonathan allen, thank you much. the unexpected twist this week over president trump's tariffs. that's at the top of our next hour. >> life doesn't come with. >> an. >> owner's manual. >> freedom is. >> getting to write your own. so get. >> 10% off a jeep wrangler. or get into a jeep. >> grand cherokee where. >> freedom is on. >> road or off. where it's a front row. >> seat to the. >> city. >> or a second row seat. >> maybe even. >> a third. >> life doesn't come with an owner's manual. >> so get out there and write your own. >> during the jeep. >> celebration e

you just made there is reporting out of wired that a sensitive complex housing a cia facility was on gsa's know it was on the list because it was published, but the list has now been deleted. but it had hundreds of government properties on there, and one of them was a very secretive facility. i think this kind of goes to the point about the callousness through which we are dealing with lots of things happening throughout the federal government right now, but specifically our intelligence and things that are traditionally very sensitive. >> yeah, i mean, it's mindless. it's also heartless. when we think of all of those public servants that are serving in the intelligence, law enforcement, homeland security and all the other communities. these are americans from all throughout this country who have decided to give back to this country with public service and all these republicans in congress that continue to bend their knee to donald trump. they're they're so worried about keeping their own individual jobs, but they don't worry about the firing of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousa

a gsa spokesperson says a list of specific properties will be republished in the near future, after thegency evaluates that input. and president trump is expected to issue an executive order as soon as today aimed at eliminating the department of education. now, the wall street journal first reporting a draft of the order, directing secretary linda mcmahon to take all steps to facilitate the shutdown based on the maximum extent appropriate and allowed by law. now, this order has been in the works since president trump was elected in november. frank. >> all right. >> samana, thank you very much. we'll see you just a bit later in the show. all right. moving on. some other news. mastercard shares are outperforming the market since earnings, despite a 3% drop so far this week around the market's broader sell off. mastercard, also the lead sponsor for the arnold palmer invitational in orlando. the type of experience the president of the americas, linda kirkpatrick, tells me, consumers are still willing to spend on even as they cut back in other areas and they face new tariffs. >> consumers i

supple alsobrooks on tuesday, does made a gsa release of government buildings they want to dispose of. many of these are in the wideouts campus in maryland. -- the white oaks campus in maryland. italy number one -- i wonder if you are familiar with building number one. is where your office would be. that is one of the buildings that does has put on the list to shutter and close up. i'm pointing out that many of these decisions are arbitrary. they harm the work we do and harm the american people. wanted to ask you if you would be committed to making decisions that make sense and do not eliminate. dr. makary: i believe and common and trusted science. if confirmed, you have my commitment to do an assessment of personnel, to look at efficiencies. i welcome the input of any organization, of any individual member of congress, from the administration and the dose team as well, to figure out how the government team could be more efficient. thank you, senator. chair cassidy: i would like to submit for the record a "washington post" letter regarding an -- a woman who took mifepristone quote twi

gsa will consider non-core assets for divestment from government ownership in an orderly fashion to ensure taxpayers no longer pay for empty and utilized federal office space -- underutilized federal office space. potentially saving whether $430 million in annual operating costs. let's hear from sharon in minnesota, democrats line. caller: good morning, pedro. i have not taken a hiatus since the election. my first call back. today is the first call in. i think bernie was kathy from iowa a few minutes ago pointing out that trump is a tyrant. boy, was she dead right on. i did not watch the speech. i just can't do it anymore. my time is way too valuable to sit and listen to somebody who lies through his teeth constantly. who is a rapist. i don't even understand this anymore, pedro. the reason i'm calling is because i heard a lot of republican whiners this morning calling in and complaining the democrats did not cheer and stand up and kiss his feet last night, for heaven's sake. they have short-term memory block, delta. -- don't they? kathy from iowa pointed out that biden gave a great speech.

administration, some at hud, which is the housing and urban development agency, as well as interior, commerce, gsaculture, treasury. just a little bit of those agencies. but the largest department with federal contracts, the defense department, $754 billion, doge has not looked at those yet. we will go to matt in new york, a republican. good morning to you. caller: good morning. i'm just kind of curious. you referred to the washington post this morning. what about the new york post or wall street journal? just seems kind of strange. host: matt, well, be patient with me. i have papers from the washington times, the wall street journal. i have headlines from all of them, go ahead. caller: anyways, i got a kick out of the woman who said about the poor kids in cages. is she talking about the cages that obama built? i just find that hilarious. anyways, i was totally for the censorship -- censureship of al green. right before the civil war when there was a lot of rambunctious and is in the house a house democrat beat a republican since this with a cane. i think al green should be getting some kind of le

or can this be done by the agency like gsa? can they do this on their own and you know, even though we want them to divest, sometimes, they don't, even when we give them a timeline. the timelines keep slipping so then what? >> i think having the data, as you know from that report for your subcommittee, prior to that, there was not even data on utilization outside of headquarters. it is hard to tell how much space you need if you are not actually measuring it. that legislation will require data throughout the country. that is what is really important for the agencies to take a look at that data and omb to be there to push, to say, ok, if you have more than you need, start getting rid of it. >> wouldn't be an impoundment if omb said you have extra you are not utilizing so we are not paying for the rest? as a forcing function? >> what i think needs to be done, there is a federal building fund. you know, in order to dispose of some of this property, you need to fix it up sometimes. >> we can get into the backlog of maintenance and

the gsa helped me recognize that i was okay, that i was valid, that i deserved to be celebrated and have a place on this earth. it is important that we continue to do this work. in fact it's my honor that i get to sit in that role that helped me continue to survive and be successful as an active u.s. student. more than one third of our students identify as lgbtq. 83% of them as students of color. these are students who are truly needing help and support. the work that we have done in fact we are the oldest program of its kind in the world is innovative, has been saving lives and is helping people understand that we all deserve a place to be here. i hope that you recognize that this current craven attempt to dehumanize and vilify your community cannot continue with you. >> do not let your vision, values and guardrails think you are not really. >> good evening. my name is richard miller. i'm a third grade teacher at dr. william l cobb elementary school. the first point i want to bring up tonight pertains to one of the district's guardrails that was actually mentioned at the onset of tonigh