set lewis and clark off on their famous expedition, moscow's work took him from the bahamas to the hudson bay, and it's likely that no other had seen so much of this continent at the time. but there's more to the story during his decade sojourn in america, he found at the center of a vast international conspiracy. and as the story winds on unexpected figure emerges at, the center of the plot, one very well known to all of us here in virginia, and that is thomas jefferson joining us this evening to unpack this conspiracy is patrick spero until. recently, patrick served as the library man and director of the american philosophical society library, one of the oldest, one of the very oldest history organizations, our nation. and in this january, official he will take on the reins this august organization as its new ceo. patrick is a scholar of early american history and the author of several articles and four books, including frontier country the politics of war in early pennsylvania. frontier rebels the fight for independence in the west and the other presidency. the thomas jefferson and the

reporter: he was supposed to be at the hudson institute but that appears to not be happening.stitute says perhaps they are still going forward, but it appears you will not perhaps be there. and later on he has an interview with falk that will still be broadcast about 6:00 our time. i think many people will be waiting to see what he says about what happened there and where he thinks ukraine is with regards to this deal and any possible peace negotiations, because the trump team is clear they don't believe him to be the partner they are looking for in terms of getting these things done. katrina: we saw senator lindsey graham who had been in the white house expected to be at the press conference for the signing of the deal which we know didn't go ahead. he came out and spoke to reporters a few moments ago and said something along the lines of, we don't think we can do business with someone like zelenskyy. reporter: he says he's not sure if zelenskyy is redeemable in the eyes of the administration and the u.s. people. he said he should resign or find someone else to take control o

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hudson. thanks for joining us here. and i'll just, so i mean that's just been discussing as you've been listening at the 2nd phase of the seas for expires today. what's the, what's your thoughts? and what's your sentiment about the hope for phase 2 coming into play or? well, i would echo some of the things that were said in your studio. there's definitely no good face and certainly not on the is really side uh the is really prime minister, is doing everything in his power, both internally and visually the trunk of ministration and the other mediators, and so on and on the ground and the various serena's not only does that, but also in the west bank and syria and lebanon, to prevent the restoration of calm and end to the war and the release of the hostages, which is the clear will of over 70 percent of his right, is. so we have a prime minister and it's acting in direct contradiction to the will of his own people as doing it out of his own political personal, sometimes criminal interests. that sense of, on its way to wha