and the point jeremy hunt makes and the pointjeremy hunt makes is to save nato.ous about spending on defence, and thatis about spending on defence, and that is something we've heard many times. but you even see it this weekend. lots of european figures coming out and saying how unhappy they were with how donald trump treated zelenskyy, but not talking about actually putting their money where their mouth is. could that change at this summit? >> yes. well, there was lots of rhetoric on x and other sites. and yet starmer probably wisely stayed out of that. he has been speaking this morning, the prime minister. he's being extremely minister. he�*s being extremely diplomatic. he's trying to, as we discussed earlier, walk 1510