ceo of axios, jim vandehei.author of. >> the. >> newsletter fresh hell. >> available on substack tina brown. >> i love it. >> my favorite. >> newsletter. >> the bbc's. >> katty kay. >> is still. >> with us as well. she's the host of the rest is politics. >> podcast. which is amazing as well. >> so jim vandehei, you've actually written about axios, has actually written about this, which is they're sort of different camps that we have right now for leaders who want to take. charge of the democratic party and lead the fight against republicans and donald trump. talk about that. >> yeah. i mean, i don't know if carville is spot on in his analysis, like he's got to look at where the democratic party is right now, right? we have also have polls showing democrats have never been as a party more unpopular than they are at this moment. on top of that, they don't have much power, right? >> if you don't. >> control the senate. >> you don't control. >> the house. >> you don't control the. >> white house, you don't control t

and i think, marty, you noted this earlier this morning, steve, that that despite what jim vandehei is just called rudderless leadership along with ashley and i mean, jim vandehei, i have no idea what they have been doing for the past several years. i'm just completely baffled. but despite that, we should say the reporters at the washington post are still the reporters still doing great work in spite of all the obstacles that have been laid before them. i'm curious, though, your thought about the washington post, such a such a washington institution. so many extraordinary stories that they've broken so many, so many great journalistic careers. they've launched. what what was your thought yesterday when you saw this missive from bezos? >> i want to continue to believe in the washington post. i am a consumer. i am a reader. i appreciate hearing ashley point out how much great reporting there still is in the. washington post. there was a great story on the top of the app yesterday about elon musk and the billions of dollars he's received in government contracts over the year, and that's a