and then maybe my favorite business person of my life, ken langone, which is fantastic. gs and everyone's going. to be glued, i think, to what he says. he's been he's been right as rain for so long. it's amazing. and his book is so great of capitalism. it's just jim capitalism. >> dying to. >> know what he thinks of everything. >> oh, my. >> but he thinks the tariffs and i do. ken asked. my wife said, listen, you're on the board of bucknell from now on. i was like. he's the most powerful and deservedly powerful, fabulous business person i've ever had the privilege of meeting him to get. i sat next to him in a couple of things. he's like, he's brilliant and tough and humble and great. >> well, said jim, that's a show tonight. we'll see you at six. mad money, 6 p.m. eastern time after the break. don't miss the commerce secretary, howard lutnick, as we monitor these latest developments around tariffs when we come right back. >> modern advisors need modern solutions. explore modern alpha, enhance your portfolios, and empower your practice all without taking your hands off the