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and yes, korematsu was a shameful decision. reason. and i think if we have a world where that conflict erupts, that's a constitutional crisis. if trump does what jackson once did, which is, you know, you have your order now court go and enforce it. a line that jd vance recently pointed to is showing whether the administration's thinking is then at that point, there's nothing holding the president back. and when you couple that with the immunity, a president decides what the law is and knows he cannot be prosecuted or held to account. there is nothing at all holding him back from doing exactly what he wants to whoever he wants. >> all right. so my final question is a quick one. i want your letter grades on mr. sauer. who is this trump lawyer? on his litigation efficacy and his fidelity to the rule of law. i don't always answer the questions, but i'll go first, so you get a second to think. in court, i give him. i give him a b plus. he's a pretty good litigator. and on rule of law, some of the things he's been saying, including t

they tried to use an illustration, korematsu, dred scott, those terrible decisions one of the republicans an illustration of a court order that you could morally rationalize opposing. but the bottom line is, you cannot take a subjective test on this issue. if you did, you'd have someone who might be a racist who says brown versus board of education integrating our schools. i don't believe in that. that's morally reprehensible to me, and i will not enforce that order in my administration of education. so you see, that's a slippery slope. so i think we've raised the threshold question for the department of justice appointments by this administration. and we better debate it out because it gets to the heart of our democracy. >> it does get to the heart of our democracy. it is the closest thing that we have to an existential question, i think, in terms of our republic, to see the wholesale destruction of the federal government, which i think they're trying to do, to see them appearing to ignore laws when it comes to doing what they're trying to do to the us government, is a bad thing as far