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the former washington post editor, marty baron, said this. it's craven. he's basically fearful of trump. he has decided that as timid and tepid as the editorials have been, they've been too tough on trump. and this is someone who, when he was running the paper, jeff bezos basically told him, i'm keeping my hands off. i'm going to give you resources to grow the paper. and that has completely changed. >> well, in fact, i interviewed marty baron yesterday on the very day that this happened or two days ago. um, and he said when jeff bezos came to the washington post, he was grateful the paper was dying and he revived it and stayed out of his business. and he was really pleasantly surprised. so this isn't a guy who knee jerk wants to criticize jeff bezos for his relationship with trump. he is heartbroken. he is deeply disappointed in the direction that jeff bezos seemingly wants to take the paper. but there's all this stuff happening. one of the other things that is is worrisome to me is another thing happened this week. there's so much news. trump came out an

let's bring in right now the former executive editor of the washington post, marty baron. d in that position in early 2013, months before bezos purchased the post, and he served through 2021. marty, i, i mean, most of us, when we saw this, we just said, what the hell? it is it's like something that we've never heard. i mean, it's obviously opinion pages can go their own direction, but to say we don't publish opposing viewpoints seems shocking at best. what was your reaction? >> well, i was shocked as well. you know, bezos said that he's in favor of. >> personal liberties. >> well, of course, so am i. >> and that's. >> why i'm in favor. >> of free expression. >> you know. >> it's right there in the first amendment. and news organizations have always honored free expression by having a variety. >> of points of view. >> on their opinion pages. >> but bezos now. >> is just shutting that down. >> and he's saying. >> that only his point of. >> view. >> is going to be. >> represented on those pages. and that really is a betrayal of the heritage of the, of the washington post. and

in the past, when marty baron was the editor, bezos could say, listen, i'm leaving it to them. i'm hands off. he did still face some pressure and some trouble from the trump administration, but he could say, there's really nothing i can do for you because i'm leaving it to the people at the paper to decide what's in the paper. he can't say that anymore. he owns the opinion page. and when he talks about personal freedom and free markets, that might raise some questions. if you are honestly covering this administration, suppose there's a president who puts a bunch of tariffs on a bunch of countries. if you are in favor of free markets, what is your opinion section going to say about that? suppose there's an administration that is going against left wing ideology, but at the same time they're breaking up the checks and balances that are a guardian of our liberties. what do you say if you're in favor of personal liberty in that case, and bezos has effectively made himself accountable for whatever the post is going to say on those issues. >> and you're right, though, to highlight, w