omb is mostly the bulwark against overspending. we rely on omb to scrutinize agencies budgets and identify redundancies. it is omb's job to ensure federal agencies are not rubberstamping costly new programs subsidized by the american taxpayer. if confirmed, representative bishop will have a front row seat to the entire federal budget process and a chance to say no as agencies continue to demand endless expansions of authority and unchecked spending. both of these nominees have come forward at a time when americans are fed up with government overreach and runaway debt. mr. edgar and represented of bishop i appreciate your willingness to serve and the experiences you bring to the table. if confirmed, you will each wield influence that can truly shape how this government operates and how it spends the public's money. the american people deserve an honest efficient government that respects our hard earned dollars per think of joining us to share how you plan to meet these responsibilities. i don't yield to the rink member because he's

host: remind people of omb's rule. they have this unitary boundary. it is not something that has been tested but something that i've been watching very closely. doge and omb is they are allowed to fire people. you are allowed to efficiencies. could they just pocket the money and put it back to treasury? the 1974 impoundment control act says you have to go to congress and do this fast-track bill. elon musk came to the senate munches -- launches, they said you have to follow this process. you cut the contracts by 83% and let's rescind that money, put it back. that will be interesting, it could be a way to sidestep. it could be whether the administration could not spend money. anti-deficiency, which means you can't spend money congress hasn't given you. if you go out there and start spending money, you could go to jail. there is no criminal penalty. you could be told this is a no no. it could be very interesting for confrontation. house appropriations chairman very open with this. the trump administration tried it. host: this is why we enjoy having erik

you said, for folks in the room to understand, the litigation you were talking about regarding the ombse, the preliminary injunction, that injunction just applies to states that brought the litigation, right? ana: yeah. amanda: i think that's important to note, it has gotten a lot of attention. ana: 22 states and the district of columbia. amanda: but as it applies to state and local governments, technically that injunction does not apply to them. ana: it also highlights that there are a lot of questions. each administration is able to support what their goals are, but how does it impact of the current contractual obligations of the government has as well? we don't have exact answers yet, but we can look at the players on the field and understand different acts so far. amanda: ok, that's helpful. let's turn to you, rick, because i don't want you to be lonely over there. immigrations obviously the focus of the current administration. there were a number of executive orders that directly touched on immigration, but i think the most pertinent one we've discussed already is protecting the a

you can imagine where omb might be on something that does not score. it's almost like magic so they must be something wrong with that but that debate is going on right now in the white house. but, if we can find out a way that does not score is an expenditure and simply moves the money that we already planning to spend to this year, i would like to see if the negatives are that outweigh the really positive effects of getting our workforce in line with our industrial base pair come looking for the directors response with a view by my left shoulder not see any smoke go upright on event acceptance of your proposal or not. >> to take on omb they really are the most powerful office in the government. and i learned that long ago. it's very frustrating. but, they are the ones who have kept us from having this big national debt haven't they? [laughter] it's been wonderful okay it's getting good here were going to the coffee and dessert. chairman to comfort her questions. and then will give you some dessert. this is not happening in a vacuum. as the president w

larry: all right, russell vought, omb director long-time friend thank you. >> my pleasure. larry: go back to work and fix the budget. >> senator tommy tuberville said that trump tariffs are making america great again, stock market does not agree. we'll hear from senator tuberville, and talk about it on set. ahead, i'll sit down for an exclusive one-on-one with elon musk. sit, stick with kudlow, please. i'll be right back. elon musk, coming up. from full house... ♪ ...to empty nest... ♪ ...to free birds. ♪ vanguard. we got this. fifty years of helping you invest for every chapter. when winter season hits emergen-c supports your immune system with so much more than vitamin c. be ready to fight back with emergen-c and for on-the-go immune support try emergen-c crystals. no water needed. so, what are you thinking? i'm thinking... (speaking to self) about our honeymoon. what about africa? safari? hot air balloon ride? swim with elephants? wait, can we afford a safari? great question. like everything, it takes a little planning. or, put the money towards a down-payment... ...on a

russell vought, omb director was clear about this on yesterday's show. it up into a package of rescissions to rescind the authorizations and not spend the money. this only requires simple majority in the house and senate. only 51 votes in the senate for example and they aim to do that quickly. they may do it for fy25 and they may come back and do more in fy26. this is a key point. this is not a economic exercise. this thing is not going to gather dust on the shelf. they are operating this thing to reduce the budget to bend the budget baseline down and stop with in effect taking away the check and ripping up the check. >> we have a $1.1 trillion deficit up 390 billion from the year before and all this chatter under joe biden's administration is how we're bringing down the deficits and trimming the budget, it's not true and getting worse every single day. the only thing i like is a doge dividend. you're not in favor of that. sending out a check for at least $500 or $5,000. before the med terms and republicans win the house. larry: i want a doge dividend. >

quoted referencing doubts about the idea this is congress driving the funding and does not require omb to approve it and sending it up to the hill. outside at this stage of the appropriations process you can make investments that you otherwise would not be able to go after because you're not stuck in the annual appropriation saga. >> in the house where it used to serve a one vote majority gets an appropriation bill passed in the senate, if you pass an appropriation bill that takes 60 votes. and so a frustration we republicans and how it is you want to spend more national defense as most of you undoubtedly do. the price for that is you've got a few democrats to vote for also. they typically want a lot more domestic spending. and reconciliation which we can do with 50 votes plus the vice president if it is not close. we do not have to accommodate the social spenders. that's why this is such a wonderful opportunity to really do what we need to do and that's why i'm so heartened to know that our current president is all for this and understands we need to do it and even to the extent that

so, you do not appear to have much presidential support or omb support. i know i have this sinking feeling that you are departing from liverpool on the titanic. so, good luck. chair scott: thank you. and you left 20 seconds on the table. sen. reed: i am going to yield it back because i am sure my colleagues can use it. chair scott: senator tillis. sen. tillis: i will come to you but to all of the nominees, congratulations. you should take it as the honor that is and i hope to -- i hope to get to some of you all. you are the person that the other people on the panel should appreciate because you will get most of the questions. i think some people suggest that you lack experience. i typically do not like to reduce things to yes or no answers. i would like to get those with a quick sentence on a couple of things because people say you lack experience for the job. you hold an undergraduate degree in economics as well as a jd? mr. mckernan: yes. sen. tillis: and that i think came from duke? mr. mckernan: the jd. i am i proud volunteer for the other. sen. tilli

they had to turn the list over to omb and gsa. they then had to agree and execute on the list. often, they did not agree. as a result, there were not that many properties disposed of. there is a last round growth -- going on right now. but this is a big problem. one thing that we have got them to do is to get out of a lot of costly leasing over time. they need to continue to improve that. the deferred maintenance on these buildings have grown extension will he. there's also security concerns, another reason they are on the high-risk list. if we did testing of trying to get through items through the security guards, and we were able to be successful, this is with batons and other sharp instruments. the security of the buildings needs to be there as well. but there is a huge opportunity here to save a lot of money by getting rid of some of these buildings, consolidating agencies and buildings and getting rid of costly leases. host: gene dodaro is our guest taking your phone calls. he is the comptroller general. also known as the government accounting office. how many folks work a

they were not in sync with omb. there's no lessons learned and that is why we downgraded them. there is still not a process to dispose of federal real property quickly and expeditiously and congress can create that and set milestones. i think it is very good that you set benchmarks for the buildings that we keep what we have got to get rid of a lot of buildings. >> we set the benchmarks but we have agencies that cannot meet them or don't meet them but they still want to hang onto them. >> you have got to get rid of some of the properties. they can enumerate. >> same market is an important point in the law you referenced. within a year, the measurements requiring omb and gsh to start notifying agencies if they have extra space but i think you can do it once the measures are in place. how many people are coming into these buildings on a daily basis, use it as measurements, say we have extra space, and then the agencies need to expeditiously move forward and has a role to ensure that they are setting appropriate time frames for agencies to respond if they are not doing it on their

we would look at what omb says at the end of the physical year one way in which these activities could transitions into budgetary savings is if balances would accumulate. and so there are unspent balances and before the end. physical year when those balances would be spent, new legislation is enacted that rescinds those balances. this is normal activity to rescind unspent balances and it's been used to fund several things for the last several years. so it's normal congressional activity that would score. that would result in budgetary savings. that would be one way for the activities of doge to show up as scorable savings to build up those balances and to be rescinded by further legislation. that is one way and i'm sure there are other ways we're tracking that and providing information to the congress. >> another popular question. the federal is an independent agency can you speak on how you maintain cbo independence. >> it's an interesting thing i'm going to answer from the cbo perspective. we have to have an interest rate forecast. i don't think i have it on these slides. but i will

russ and omb to do what they're doing. and then let's focus on fy 26, because the clock is running out. we only have six months left to deal with that fy 26. so i think we're in a good spot to do it. remember, don't mean to filibuster here, but my senate colleagues, my democrat friends over in the senate, they didn't pass a single appropriation bill for this cycle. we passed five off the floor, 12 out of committee, and we got jammed up by them. so we're trying to clean up the mess and move forward. >> congressman, i want to ask you. you talk about doge and the efforts that you are. you say that you are supportive of. elon musk did an interview yesterday with fox business where he talked about entitlements, and i want to play a little bit of that interview that that he did and then ask you about it on the other side. let's watch. >> the waste in entitlement spending, which is all of the which is most of the federal spending is entitlements. so that that's that's like the big one to eliminate, because that's the sort of half

remember when i first started in government in the 1990s, we were trying to get the irs -- i was at omb at the time, we were trying to get irs to share taxpayer information with the department of education to validate if the pell grants were improper or not. they got that authority but it was like maybe close to 20 years later that it finally went through and congress finally enacted it. what's going on right now is doge is running into the same thing i ran into when i tried to address this and needing more information. but congress and only congress historically has decided whether the irs can share information with other federal agencies. >> all right, talk to callers. we'll start with leonard in massachusetts, independent line. good morning. >> good morning, everyone. thank you. i'm really excited to hear you talk about section 6103 and didn't know the number of internal revenue code and data privacy is super important and interesting. my question though is wasn't there a study done by economists saying that the irs and maybe department of education was one of the best returns on inv

incorporate your big six projections and you put out a trump budget, you, russ vought, will be doing it at omb, obviously. is there a doge, you know, is there a doge spot for this, and perhaps how much might that be? sec. bessent: larry, i don't know yet, but to think that there's no waste, fraud, or abuse in the u.s. government, think about it. now that i live in d.c., 25 percent, 25 percent of u.s. gdp flows through area code 202. everybody is trying, there are all these markers on there, same thing. americans with health care, every monday is paying for your health care, but when you think about 25 percent of gdp flowing through area code 202, everybody's trying to skim a portion of it, trying to reallocate it. i don't know what the savings level can be, but i think examining a lot of these contracts, a lot of this employment, and i was with glenn youngkin, governor of virginia, the other day, and i thought he would, all these people are in a state over government layoffs, and so his northern virginia would probably be the area most affected. and i said, governor, how are you handling this?

we will fund the government responsibly omb the office o management and budget in the white house, they direct funds to these categories of things have been shown to be abusive. but what happened on the back in the way the procedure works we will be able to go back later and do rescissions and handle it in other ways. the big savings that doge is finding i'm very excited about this event meeting with elon musk about it regularly we talk about often. that will be a part of fy 26. we will get back to regular order, restore the process. we will get a budget from the white house that reflects all of those savings will be time to calculate and do that. and then we will begin the appropriation process for fy 26. it's going to be very exciting development we will do it differently than it has been done we will have whole categories, big savings i believe that will change the equation is to be a great thing for the american people. [inaudible] what is your message to those who areri worried we could be ia very long and painful trade work? something anyway visions of trade for a look sort i thin

99 pages and responsible and keeping lights on so elon can expose this nonsense and russ vought at ombook at impound.revision and rooting out the nonsense and should set us up for an actual good debate about appropriation this is year and liz: always wontedder and feel always bring it. thanks for being with us. >> the federal government and coming at government agencies and that's majority support. i was truly surprised by this, kate, the numbers are the numbers. less: okay, cnn reports americans do support and want doge's cuts to extravagantly wasteful federal bureaucracy keeping taxes high and why reporting that americans don't want doge and when they reported on the so-called angry town halls and protests, they were just isolated democrat coordinated astroturf protest and that information is coming in. florida congressman is enjoying them going to have congressman byron donalds here to react and here tonight. the news that rashida tlaib decides to be the only congresswoman to decide with mexican cartels. then this. >> under the immigration and naturalization act f you support a terr

musk and running through trump and running through scott bessent and running through russell vought at ombtt at sec and made everybody glum and dismal and trying to get rid of it. rescission authority and budget authority and you name it. this is hugely important because that will free up resources for your technological revolution. >> remember, there's an entire cabinet that's the most entrepreneurial and success oriented and achievement in history. they understand where thump wants to go and they want to go with him and really aggressive solid cabinet secretaries and they'll work as partners with musk and not competitors and together and they'll reshape the government of the united states into a more de-centralized smaller it's an amaizing historic moment. larry: you've been fighting for it now. 1,000%. newt gingrich, you're the best of the best and we'll talk soon thank you, sir. coming up on kudlow, ej antoni going to update the trade and going for returns and we've got a 30 day reprieve and usmca and trump is right. reciprocity is correct. they can't keep taking advantage of them and

musk is aiming for a trillion dollars, and omb director russell vought said that doge savings will be implemented in to a package of recisions strike out congressional others and acts that need simple majority in house and senate tonto enact it. musk said he is acting as a consultant, sir stater of state marco rubio a adopted over 80% of the doge recommendation, trump has taken criticism. because democrats and co their allies do not want to lose their foot hold in permanent ultra liberal bureaucracy that mr. musk is tearing down. >> the president is elected representative of the people. and if president cannot get things implemented as a reflecttion of the will of the people, then we don't have a democracy but a bureaucracy. larry: his own life has been threat ended on nieto, several of his electric changing stations have been sit on fire, one tesla dealer ship was shot up by bullets, fortunately no one was there at this time, other tesla dealerships subjected to protests. even he acknowledges that his business have suffered. hihe remains comp ited and told -- committed, he will go at

you said, for folks in the room to understand, the litigation you were talking about regarding the ombpreliminary injunction, that injunction just applies to states that brought the litigation, right? ana: yeah. amanda: i think that's important to note, it has gotten a lot of attention. ana: 22 states and the district of columbia. amanda: but as it applies to state and local governments, technically that injunction does not apply to them. ana: it also highlights that there are a lot of questions. each administration is able to support what their goals are, but how does it impact of the current contractual obligations of the government has as well? we don't have exact answers yet, but we can look at the players on the field and understand different acts so far. amanda: ok, that's helpful. let's turn to you, rick, because i don't want you to be lonely over there. immigrations obviously the focus of the current administration. there were a number of executive orders that directly touched on immigration, but i think the most pertinent one we've discussed already is protecting the american

larry: budget reviews going on and elon's doge review going on, omb's reviews going on.o there should be, i mean, the public wants to see less government spending and dices empowering of this overbearing regulatory bureaucracy. bureaucracy making government do what they want and defending the country and keeping the air clean and things like that but not to send money to usaid to do all the crazy things basically funding democratic campaign ideas. larry: you get trump's whole package and tax cuts, spending cuts, deregulation and energy and unfair trading practices and we can get to four and the reason is that we've got everything in the train we did before getting to 3% growth and now we've got this other thing, that's the message tonight and that's going to save the number. and that's where the golden age begins. larry: that's a really important point and all the liberals trying to pin all that on trump and it's nothing to do with him and you get better growth but it's not just a theoretical thing and lowering the deficit and getting better growth and doesn't that lower

it is the money that has been unveiled and that we have seen because of omb, because of the informationt we're learning, it means that we can bring back firsthand to our appropriators now that we have signaled our desire to pass reconciliation on the floor. very excited. so now the speed will pick up of not only what we're doing, but the working together with office of management and budget. molly: there's a lot of targeting on elon musk specifically because they say he's unelected. here you are the elected officials inspired by what's happening at doge, essentially trying to reach the same end to rein in the spending. elon musk was actually on the joe rogan experience podcast. take a quick listen to that. >> they say that trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic, he was elected with majority of the popular vote. they're saying i was a threat to democracy. if you just replace threat to democracy with bureaucracy, that makes sense, that the revolution could succeed, restore power to the people instead of to the bureaucracy. >> there's a complaint that what elon musk is doing i

i sent numerous oversight requests to both dhs and omb sense of the start of this administration and, unfortunately, have received little or no response or response of documents or information as result confirmed. under the previous order, the motion to reconsider is considered made and laid upon the table, and the president will be immediately notified of the senate's actions. the clerk will report the motion to invoke cloture. the clerk: cloture motion, we, the undersigned senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate, do hereby move to bring to a close debate on the nomination of lori chavez-deremer, of oregon, to be secretary of labor, signed by 17 senators. the presiding officer: by unanimous consent, the mandatory quorum call has been waived. the question is, is it the sense of the senate that debate on the nomination of lori chavez chavez-deremer, of oregon, to be secretary of labor, shall be brought to a close. the yeas and nays are mandatory under the rule. the clerk will call the roll. vote: the clerk: ms. alsobrooks. ms. baldwin.

host: remind people of omb's rule. they have this unitary boundary.is not something that has been tested but something that i've been watching very closely. doge and omb is they are allowed to fire people. you are allowed to efficiencies. could they just pocket the money and put it back to treasury? the 1974 impoundment control act says you have to go to congress and do this fast-track bill. elon musk came to the senate munches -- launches, they said you have to follow this process. you cut the contracts by 83% and let's rescind that money, put it back. that will be interesting, it could be a way to sidestep. it could be whether the administration could not spend money. anti-deficiency, which means you can't spend money congress hasn't given you. if you go out there and start spending money, you could go to jail. there is no criminal penalty. you could be told this is a no no. it could be very interesting for confrontation. house appropriations chairman very open with this. the trump administration tried it. host: this is why we enjoy having erik wass

it probably wouldn't count, but you would have to ask the omb. caroline: when you talk about the stewardship, particularly the stockpile, what about staking lending? will there be ways to maximize the volume there? david: it's a good question. the first idea of this executive order is to increase the mandate. first, we do the audit, we found out what they are. then we move them into a separate account for safekeeping . then the secretary of the treasury and his team will be able to exercise portfolio management with responsible stewardship and that could include staking, rebalancing, sales. these are all options they can pursue if the secretary of the treasury believes these are in the long-term interests of the american people. caroline: going into what's in the holding of the u.s. government, going back to what trump mentioned over the weekend , talking of ripples and other alternative points, people are wondering whether they will be included in this stockpile. do they? why mention them? david: the president mentioned the top five cryptocurren

by the way, we had russ vought on the omb earlier.hey are going to translate doge savings through rescissions, which only require a majority vote in the house and senate that's how they are going to take them out of the baits line and it's going to appear in the trump budget as well. >> that's interesting. larry, really quickly, x was i guess the cyber attack on x. elon musk's property where that's coming from. >> i asked forever source he said very clear, ukraine. ukraine, without any question. >> bret: wow, that's interesting too. larry kudlow, we appreciate the time. >> thanks, bret. appreciate it. ♪ >> we are just a few days away from the latest deadline to keep the government funded. house democrats are refusing to support a temporary bill unless it includes provisions to reign in the aforementioned elon musk and the department of government efficiency. senior congressional correspondent chad pergram is live on capitol hill tonight with the latest on that. good evening, chad. >> bret, good evening. democrats say republicans left

mitch daniels who served under president bush, who led the omb, tried to figure out ways to reform thes, reduce spending, get some of the duplications out. i hope that is what mr. mucks is more focused on. i wouldn't be distracted by some of the wayward voices in the democratic party opposing this. just like wayward voices in the republican party. 70% of what he is doing is the right thing. i hope and wish that some in the party on the republican side would be more interested what president trump says common sense cuts. medicare, a lot of fraud. defense department a lot of waste and abuse. get there. give me big numbers as the great mitch daniels said this morning was reported, do more and talk less. if you do that -- >> bill: eventually they get there. >> dana: it seems that there is a process point maybe that some people are frustrated with the process. the end result that most people pay attention to are saying even if trump is doing what he said he was going to do, and they are also concerned, though, about prices that they are paying at the grocery store. those two things can happ

let's bring in brad howard, a democratic strategist and jessica anderson, former associate director of ombhere's this idea that president trump is cutting through the bone and in to the marrow. there seems to be some idea that musk was going a little too far. listen to what the president said in the oval office yesterday. >> elon has been really teaching everybody about the numbers that you can do. what i want, i want the numbers but i also want to keep the good people. we want to get rid of the people that aren't working, that aren't showing up and have a lot of problems. so they're working together with elon. i think we're doing a really great job. >> john: there was this idea, jessica, that maybe he was cutting with a chainsaw that was handed to musk as opposed to using a scalpel, which would be more appropriate. has this program been going to far? >> no, the program is not going too far at all. it's taken on a new form. so when elon started this effort, the cabinet secretaries weren't even in place. now you have cabinet secretaries confirmed in place, getting their arms around their ag

>> he's over at omb implementing project 25 as the counsel to russell vote. whole. >> thing gets. >> tied in pretty closely to the whole billionaire funding scheme. and clearly, for those four justices, their loyalty lies. >> to. >> the billionaire. funded project. 2025 scheme and. not to the basic principle. if you perform on a contract, you should. >> get. >> paid the money. >> you are due by. >> the government. >> senator sheldon whitehouse, thank you very much for clarifying it. now i'm even more uncomfortable with the one vote margin. thank you very much. thank you very much for joining us, senator. thank you. and coming up, there are 160,000 federal workers in maryland who could be impacted by donald trump and elon musk's dramatic cuts. maryland senator angela cuts. maryland senator angela alsobrooks will join pronamel clinical enamel strength can help us to keep our enamel for a lifetime. it's backed by science it is clinically proven to strengthen our teeth. i would recommend this toothpaste to everybody. it's really an amazing product. (♪♪) >> howeve

omb, you've got to let the money go. and then people who have money coming to them, properly obligated, properly appropriated, try to call up and say, okay, the order says you can't hold it back. when's it coming? and what do they get? no clear answers. the fog bank. the executive officials retreept behind refusal to answer e-mails, refusal to answer phone calls. vague answers that give no response. sometimes even happy indications that don't worry, hang out there, i'm sure that we can work this out. and even in some cases, yes, you will have access to these funds. it doesn't change the fact that the money just doesn't go. it reminds me of old bad movies about the soviet union where the kgb guy in the corner is the one who makes all the decisions. and the nominal chief of the agency says of course we're going to do this, but unless the kgb guy signs offer, the money doesn't go. in this case it's not the kgb guy. it's the little musk rats who are in this department trying to foul up the flow of properly obligated funds. t

barbara morita owns the omb bodega in washington heights and says she's passing the savings on to herty. >> bacon, egg and cheese on the road. we have the price for $6 now with the liquid eggs. we're going to raise the lower the price 4.99. so it's $1 difference. >> and she also says it would have cost her less than $5 a carton here in the city for her to go back to her regular egg prices. a new exhibit at uc berkeley's lawrence hall of science is inviting guests of all ages to learn about the importance of food sustainability. ktvu tori gaines took a big bite out of this exhibit, and she has more. >> we're in the berkeley hills, overlooking the beautiful san francisco bay area. we're here at uc berkeley's lawrence hall of science, taking a big bite out of the future of food exhibit. this exhibit is over 4000ft!s of interactive and colorful scientific explanations. let's take a look. from cornhole to interactive screens to exhibits showcasing the work of local high school students, the future of food is here and it's sustainable. the exhibit highlights more than 150 community partners

what will be interesting to see, though, is down the road, i think it's clear that the current team at omb really believes they have impoundment power, and i think they're setting up a constitutional or should say, at least a judicial challenge there between the legislative branch and executive branch about what sort of power they have to impound funds, because if there's not an appropriations bill that specifically specifies where the money is going, they think they have a lot more authority to impound the dollars. >> and how does that happen when there's a different party in power? >> it's a great question because because i think that for those who think it's exciting that this administration will to withhold those funds, suppose there's a democrat administration. now, you've granted this extraordinary power to the executive branch. and and again, for it's important to remember that because the nixon administration impounded funds, congress specifically passed legislation in 1977 to stop that. and so i'm not so sure they have the legal grounds to stand on, but i think they believe a cr h

the government sent up a request, i believe it was for 40 billion a couple of weeks ago and omb is goingwork through that and figure out what's in, what's out, and figure out what the ultimate request figure is that they would kind of work on and come up with. >> i want to make a point on that though, what the administration has done in the california wildfires has really never been done before. the debris removal timeline, they got it done in 30 days after the president came in and got on the epa and army corps to get it moving. he's focused on cleaning up the problem, but as james said, the money piece probably has to mature more before we start to deal with it, but it's definitely on his mind and made progress. >> let's talk about the democrats for minute. has the president had conversations with chuck schumer or hakeem jeffries? >> you're thinking of a way to dodge, but i'm not going to --. >> not dodge. i mean, look, i'm not going to speak to the president's private conversations, you know, he's obviously known chuck schumer a long time and leader jeffries less so, but i think you k

. >> omb also found that there. >> was about to be. >> 50 million taxpayer.rs that went out the door. to fund condoms in gaza. that is a. preposterous waste. >> of. >> taxpayer money. >> so that's what. >> this pause. >> is focused on being good. >> stewards of. >> tax dollars. >> that was white house press secretary during her first official on camera press briefing back in january. this was going to be the first big gotcha from doge, right? elon musk and his cronies stopped the contract for 50 million usd worth of condoms to be sent to gaza. can you believe it? get a load of that one. you've heard this before. you know it was a lie. it was obvious and flagrant. anyone with common sense could tell it was untrue. as jeremy konyndyk, formerly of usaid, pointed out my podcast recently. the us government gets condoms for about $0.05 each, 20 for a dollar, which means $50 million would buy a billion condoms, or roughly 470 condoms for every gaza resident. the claim was swiftly debunked. musk got called out on it. >> well, first. >> of all. >> some of the things t

the director of omb, the administrator was the administrator last trump administration, who was one ofat the goal is to inflict trauma on the federal workforce. they would like to dismantle what they call the administrative state, that is the federal government. the government should work for the people, but what they want to do is destroy it, pull it apart piece by piece, to the to a point that a conversation we had, i think, last weekend with the inability to be able to put this back together again. right, right. and so that is what is happening. so now is the time to michael's point to stand up. this is an inflection point. this is a turning point. it's why i think people are having this robust discussion about whether democrats should go to the joint address of congress or not, because it feels like business as usual from washington, dc in many respects. you know. that's the key. it was the speaker of the house. >> it does. yeah. >> the speaker is on meet the press right now talking about oh, well, now i want a clean cr. democrats need to negotiate with us. i thought americans did

that was a week after omb put out, you know, an email asking all of those federal employees to tell them five things that they did in the past week. and agencies in the next two days scrambled to give other instructions to their employees. right. this is a dynamic that's been building and building for some time now. and you have to ask, you know, if these were two interactions, one with secretary duffy, the other one with rubio that were reported, that did kind of bubble up into the open. how many private frustrations are there from trump's cabinet? >> yeah, i mean, that is a very good point that some of the things that are said privately often don't come out publicly. but now some of them have shelby to you, the breakdown between musk and rubio is particularly noteworthy because of usaid. it was rubio who supposedly took control of the agency, and then musk's team just shut it down. and we saw that extraordinary video of the sign being, you know, sort of ripped off using a cherry picker there. what are your sources saying about all this? >> well, i. >> think it's not entirely. >> surpri

and they essentially were told no by omb and but so how do we get there? i mean, it's going to cost more money, right? and then this gets into how high does the defense budget get. well, we don't have well. well, look, i think it'll cost more money, but i think a number of these companies can also invest in themselves. if you look at the investments in space access made, for example, off of its own books, that didn't come to congress and say you have to give me a multibillion dollar plug. in fact, the rockets, it's building. and i think that's, you know, you said how are things different if you look at, for example, what andrew palmer, lucky company his company is doing, how space approach things. you know, they built great products that said you know here's and we want to sell them to you rather than you pay me to develop a product to require that over the next ten years very, different incentives. yeah, right. and it's kind of the old adage from, henry ford, he said, look, if i got to an engineer in 1904 and said, make me a better horse and buggy carriag

it's frankly traumatizing to the federal workforce, which the omb director vote wanted.hat. i'll give him that. but this is, you know, on so many things that trump says, he says one thing and then he does the opposite. >> you know, you're not the party in power. so there's only a limited amount of authority that you have right now. but when people in your state come to you and say, i was fired unfairly, or look what they're doing to me, say they're a veteran, i know you, that you have the seventh highest population of veterans in the nation. >> what can. >> you do for them per capita? >> yeah. >> so what can you do for them? >> what we can say is, you know, what i say to all folks is we need only three votes in the house or four in the senate to change this. we can stomp our feet on the floor of the senate, but we can't even slow down legislation that much because, candidly, rules changes made over a decade ago by democrats. so we can say we're going to support you on bringing lawsuits. you know, one of the things that i'm kind of wingman to my friend of 40 years, tim ka

executive orders and memos come from from the white house, from the office of personnel management, from omb to suggest that the agencies, the secretaries needed to be doing these things to be in compliance with executive orders that the president signed. but in practice, we know that we've seen in so many cases, elon musk and his doge team actually effectuating some of the changes that have been happening over the last several weeks. if you remember that email that went out, i think it was on a saturday evening to federal workers that said, you need to send us your list of five things, and then a post on social media from elon musk after that. that said, these people could be could be essentially be fired. and then after that, we saw a lot of the federal agencies, state department, fbi, others saying, wait a minute, you don't have to reply to this email just yet. and so that, i think, was the first outward sign of this power struggle that we've seen. and now you have this meeting where the president says to the secretaries, hiring and firing is on you. i want you to keep the best people aro

and just last week, we now see weeks later, opm sent a memo along with omb, asking agencies to plan for large scale reductions in its workforce. we know that social security administration, for example, announced that they plan on cutting some 7000 jobs. so, again, not only is this agency being run essentially by doge, but it's also the testing ground for many of the actions that we have seen so far. kate. >> renee, thank you so much for your reporting on this. john. >> all right. one area that has been severely cut is the national oceanic and atmospheric administration noaa for short. the agency forecast severe weather emergencies across the country. we hear a lot from them every hurricane season. and their forecasts save lives. with us now is tom de la barreto, former public affairs specialist and climate scientist at noaa's office of communications. he was laid off last week. we're sorry for what you're going through. how did you find out you were getting fired? yeah. >> um, i found out on. >> last thursday. >> i got a. boilerplate email. >> about 3:45. >> p.m. >> that kind. >> of. >

and russ vought at omb is putting together a big rescissions package, which would essentially stop the spending on all of these areas that were abused and fraudulent and corrupt. the appropriations can be taken away with simple majorities in the house and senate. this is what elon musk is doing. and as you said, i mean, they're burning his electric chargers. they're his they fired shots into one of his dealerships. they're demonstrating around it. it's absolutely nutty, absolutely crazy stuff. but meanwhile he's forging ahead. he told me he's going to go at least another year. he told me basically this entitlement problem, not the benefits from the big entitlements, but the fraud, like social security people are 150 years old getting social security checks, which is insane. or small businesses getting social, getting credits for people under 11 years old. nobody checked this stuff before. he's checking it. it's going to translate, as i said, into rescinding this money. it's like tearing up a check. that's what's going to happen. the house and the senate have to get on the stick and pas

that's trump's omb director and, of course, the mastermind. >> of project 2025. >> after trump was inauguratedas sworn in as the deputy press secretary at the pentagon. now, that's a very public facing job. but as multiple outlets have reported this week, her record of public statements is, well, appalling. >> we've become much. more democratic as our country's history has gone on. and i don't know that. >> that's necessarily a. >> good thing. and i think that it's kind. >> of a rejection. >> of what. >> we were meant to be for zelensky to. come to. >> the capitol. >> and to ask for more money. i just think is, you know, horrific. it's truly despicable. he should be arrested. >> on sight. i don't want. >> to live in a. >> country where. >> people are eating cats. >> and what have i told you? that's like her pretty soft stuff. on social media. wilson has been a big promoter of some downright ghastly racist and anti-semitic conspiracy theories. back in 2023, the head of the anti-defamation league tweeted a remembrance of leo frank. frank was a jewish businessman who was lynched by a mob in georg